sarjo Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Travelled 220 miles, pulled up at my destination, engine cuts - wont re-start. Thought I might be low on petrol so put 10 litres in. Still nothing. Turn the ignition, cant hear the fuel coming through. Undid the hose to the fuel rail, cranked over and nothing - no fuel. Where do I start??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 can you hear fuel pump priming? If not i think there is a fuel pump fuse or relay to check. ill do a search brb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarjo Posted May 28, 2006 Author Share Posted May 28, 2006 can you hear fuel pump priming? If not i think there is a fuel pump fuse or relay to check. ill do a search brb Thanks wsb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 just check fuses first i think is best idea (start with basics) http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=56758 This says how to check the fuel pump is priming. As you read you wont hear the fuel pump priming on the ignition. Sorry for small bit of bad advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osso Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 From what you've described, I assume that your ignition system is still functional, ie, starter motor cranking over, and producing a spark. I would start with the obvious and check your fuses in the engine bay, I am almost certain, that the fuel pump will have a fuse. I have never known a fuel pump to fail to be honest. The only think i can think of is perhaps check the fuel pump relay, which is in the boot, passenger side. To be honest, if the fuel pump relay failed, I would assume it would either be stuck in 9v mode or 12 volt mode. either way, it might be worthwhile checking the voltages at the fuel pump relay, thats if you have a multimeter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarjo Posted May 28, 2006 Author Share Posted May 28, 2006 From what you've described, I assume that your ignition system is still functional, ie, starter motor cranking over, and producing a spark. I would start with the obvious and check your fuses in the engine bay, I am almost certain, that the fuel pump will have a fuse. I have never known a fuel pump to fail to be honest. The only think i can think of is perhaps check the fuel pump relay, which is in the boot, passenger side. To be honest, if the fuel pump relay failed, I would assume it would either be stuck in 9v mode or 12 volt mode. either way, it might be worthwhile checking the voltages at the fuel pump relay, thats if you have a multimeter. Thanks osso, all fuses are ok in the engine bay. Is there any relevent fuse in the drivers footwell? Will go locate the fuel pump relay if I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Could it be the imobilizer gone funny on you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarjo Posted May 28, 2006 Author Share Posted May 28, 2006 Could it be the imobilizer gone funny on you?? Wondering that myself. Does anyone know how to re-set a Clifford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarjo Posted May 28, 2006 Author Share Posted May 28, 2006 ok, still no fuel pump noise, but car started for about 5 secs then cut out again. Doesnt want to start again now though. Happy Bank Holiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osso Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Never thought about that, although I cant remember how the clifford imobilizer works. The relay is easy to find. You need to unscrew the large plastic trim at the front of the boot, then unscrew the smaller plastic trim along the passenger side of the boot. you will find a black bulky relay tucked in behind the wheel arch, just becareful not to drop the nut when you unbolt it. Before you create more work than you need to, i'd check your alarm out first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarjo Posted May 28, 2006 Author Share Posted May 28, 2006 Never thought about that, although I cant remember how the clifford imobilizer works. The relay is easy to find. You need to unscrew the large plastic trim at the front of the boot, then unscrew the smaller plastic trim along the passenger side of the boot. you will find a black bulky relay tucked in behind the wheel arch, just becareful not to drop the nut when you unbolt it. Before you create more work than you need to, i'd check your alarm out first. Thanks for that osso. I'm trying to find out how to re-set the alarm perhaps, but might just disconnect the battery for a while and see if that helps. Clutching at straws, and they're getting shorter by the minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osso Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 No worries, I thought about disconnecting the battery myself, but the clifford is quite a clever bit of kit. might take more than disconnecting the battery to fool it into resetting!! Send Matt H a PM! He installed the clifford on my supra, he might know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarjo Posted May 28, 2006 Author Share Posted May 28, 2006 Sussed it!!! Dodgy connection into pump, burned out both connector on the pump and the one going into it!!! Anyone got one I can have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Sussed it!!! Dodgy connection into pump, burned out both connector on the pump and the one going into it!!! Anyone got one I can have? I am sure Martin (Lucifer) will be able to help. Or are you after someone local to fix it there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osso Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Sussed it!!! Dodgy connection into pump, burned out both connector on the pump and the one going into it!!! Anyone got one I can have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarjo Posted May 28, 2006 Author Share Posted May 28, 2006 I am sure Martin (Lucifer) will be able to help. Or are you after someone local to fix it there? Cant get back without one, can do it here if I can get a pump or even try just changing the connectors. Bank Holidays eh?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Cant get back without one, can do it here if I can get a pump or even try just changing the connectors. Bank Holidays eh?? Shall i ask if any traders are close to me and have a pump? Or is anyone has a second hand one going cheap and local? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarjo Posted May 28, 2006 Author Share Posted May 28, 2006 Gets worse. I've got two pumps, both being powered through the single power cable, hence its burnt out. Its burnt right down to the fuel tank . . so bit lucky me thinks. Checking out the damage now to see if I need one pump or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupraboy2 Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Gets worse. I've got two pumps, both being powered through the single power cable, hence its burnt out. Its burnt right down to the fuel tank . . so bit lucky me thinks. Checking out the damage now to see if I need one pump or two any clues to why it burnt out? dont wana put a new one in just for it to happen again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Ideally a midlands (Wolverhampton) person could go out and have a look at this for Jo. Apparently it does not need a pump but the electrical plug at the feed end has burnt out and she could do with a new one. Anyone close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarjo Posted May 28, 2006 Author Share Posted May 28, 2006 any clues to why it burnt out? dont wana put a new one in just for it to happen again Ok, I've got two pumps, so two wires joining to one, both taking its +ve feed through one pin in the standard plug. It seems that the pin in the plug couldnt handle the draw on it so burnt out. Very lucky as this has burnt right through the plug. Watch out anyone with two pumps!!! This could happen to you if not wired up properly http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=5/14715092293.jpg&s=f5 http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=5/14715102032.jpg&s=f5 http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=5/14715123294.jpg&s=f5 The offending wires: http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=5/14715113574.jpg&s=f5 Does anyone know how to get round this without replacing the plug only to find this happens again in the future?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osso Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 looks nasty! How long ago were the pumps originally installed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Hello! Yes too many AMPS through that one connector unfortunatly. And I do not have a spare. Where are you, I can come and do a re-wire job if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarjo Posted May 30, 2006 Author Share Posted May 30, 2006 Hello! Yes too many AMPS through that one connector unfortunatly. And I do not have a spare. Where are you, I can come and do a re-wire job if you like. Thanks for the offer Martin, managed to re-wire through the plug so kept the connector in place. Any ideas how to prevent this happening again? Obviously need the plug to fill the gap on the top but dont want to have this happen again. Obviously need to use an bigger ampage wire but still going to have the same problem through the pin on the plug which is where it burnt out am I not?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 You will need separate relays and fuses. Basically a full rewire job back there for those pumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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