notice of intended prosecution

[wewsupra]

just had a fxxxing letter of police saying

 

in accordance with section 1 of the road traffic offenders act 1988, i hereby give you notice that it is intended to take proceedings against the driver of the above moter vehicle

FOR THE ALLEGED OFFENCE OF SPEED OF 46MPH{I THINK IT wAS IN A 40ZONE} FAILING TO COMPLY WITH TRAFFIC LIGHT SIGNAL{red lights i shot}

at a45 coventry rd near to hatchford brook i.c birmingham

what do u think ill get because dnt they send u a fine not a letter

[Gaz6002]

they gotta have proof though mate. Any mention of this?

 

They can't go by hearsay!

[stupra]

I've been reading alot bout speeding lately, some people are fighting for the right not to have to drop themselves in it when the police cant identify the person riding or driving at the time of the offence. Somthing to do with the right to remain silent. Like Gazz said, they'll need to show proof. If they can prove both claims, you might be in big trouble.

[JohnA]

You can get out of it if you make the right moves.

I will not elaborate further on a public forum, but it's certainly doable - I know first hand.

 

If you are familiar with officialdom and paper shuffling then you can throw so many obstacles in their course as to make it uneconomical for them to continue pursuing the case.

 

If they want to catch more 'criminals' then they should invest in more traffic police, who will stop offenders, verify personal details and take it from there.

Automated fines through the post make my blood boil, that's why the roads are full of criminals driving around in cheap cars that cannot be flagged on ANPR or cannot be traced to a valid address.

 

Yes, more *real* police officers on the road is what we want, not civilian camera opetors and fine-processing staff. Enough with the cheapskate mentality.

 

Give them Hell

[Pete]

http://www.pepipoo.com

[Pete]

I've been reading alot bout speeding lately, some people are fighting for the right not to have to drop themselves in it when the police cant identify the person riding or driving at the time of the offence.

The rule is if you're the owner of the car you must declare who was driving it or take the penalty yourself. You can forget innocent until proven guilty.

[Class One]

6 points and a nice fine.

[Bob]

The notice of intended prosecution will tell you how you were caught, probably one of the smallish traffic light cameras that also read speed too (Sherlock Holmes eat your heart out, eh? )

 

Reply to the letter, politely requesting a copy of the photographic evidence along with a copy of the calibration certificate for that particular camera. If they can provide both then your screwed.

 

Though quite frankly speeding through a red light is pretty damn stupid anyway

[jazz1]

just a little advice my brother has charged people 300 pounds just to get them out of this and hes done this so many times, i aint saying how but it can be done:)

[sooper-supra]

just a little advice my brother has charged people 300 pounds just to get them out of this and hes done this so many times, i aint saying how but it can be done:)

 

 

tbh thats not very clever posting that up on a public forum

[jazz1]

well i know its not clever but none of you lot know if im lying or telling the truth unless i was caught doing such a thing theres no proof and besides im trying to help the fella

[sooper-supra]

well i know its not clever but none of you lot know if im lying or telling the truth unless i was caught doing such a thing theres no proof and besides im trying to help the fella

 

lol fair enough..

[wewsupra]

on letter it says THIS ALLEGATION IS SUPPORTED BY PHOTOGRAPHIC/SPEED DETECTION DEVICE EVIDENCE

thanks for ur help just wanted to no will it be 3 points or six{how much is the fine}

and will that affect my insurance

and how long do they stay on licence

 

i no it was stupied thing to do {IT WAS ABOUT 10PM and it was not at a juntion it was on a duel carrage way,, just cars coming from the left and there was no one there},i was following some one and i did not want to lose them or i would of been lost,ive had my licence 5 years with no points{think i 4 got how easy the supra picked up speed lol}

PLUS MAYBE ALL THE MONEY THEY GET FROM THESE CAMERA SHOULD BE SPENT ON OUR CRAPPY ROADS,{ BRITISH ROADS ARE IN A STATE}

[Darren-K]

In my recent case ( which only a couple of members here knew about~)

i bought my supra of someone near me ( a member from here ),.

on her way to deliver the car she was snapped by a speed camera.,

i purchased the car litteraly 10 mins later,...

over 5 months i got 2 speeding tickets and notice for prosecution letters,. plus others asking for more info etc,.

thing is the person who sold me the car was convinced she would get off with it - and she did ( i think).,

however i had 5 months of hassle because of it.,

last letter they sent me said they were taking me to court - that was about january- febuary and ive not heard anything since.

i "might" be in the clear.,

good luck with your case mate

[Thorin]

just a little advice my brother has charged people 300 pounds just to get them out of this and hes done this so many times, i aint saying how but it can be done:)

 

Didn't help you on your little conviction did it?

 

Stop bull shitting like a little kid, you've already shown your stupidity has no bounds already by continually posting this on a public forum. If it were down to me, you'd have been banned.

[Thorin]

richter arrange to see the photo's ASAP. In order for them to prosecute you for failing to stop at a red light both front and rear wheels have to have gone over the white line after the light has already changed to red. Sound like this is an automated camera that got you so it's probably correct, but you should always check.

[jazz1]

Didn't help you on your little conviction did it?

 

Stop bull shitting like a little kid, you've already shown your stupidity has no bounds already by continually posting this on a public forum. If it were down to me, you'd have been banned.

listen i dont bullshit nothing im trying to help the fella and not get stupid comments from you. Far as im concerned you have some issues which id rather you say directly to my face. Fairplay i got points Just because you think im 21 i dont know nothing and i just talk aload of bullshit fairplay but mind your own buisness as im not posting on your behalf old man

[colsoop]

Jazz you could get your bro in to a lot of bother posting this up.

Whether you can or can't get it done doesn't matter it could still bring hassle his way. Just a friendly point

[jazz1]

fairplay maybe next time i wont post stuff as it seems to upset the old man, but there are other ways to get out of speed fines etc without doing it the dodgy way:)

[jazz1]

richter arrange to see the photo's ASAP. In order for them to prosecute you for failing to stop at a red light both front and rear wheels have to have gone over the white line after the light has already changed to red. Sound like this is an automated camera that got you so it's probably correct, but you should always check.

 

dont listen to this old man, he should be banned:search:

[JohnA]

on letter it says THIS ALLEGATION IS SUPPORTED BY PHOTOGRAPHIC/SPEED DETECTION DEVICE EVIDENCE..

As the registered keeper you have every right to demand to see the photographic evidence, especially if it will help refresh your memory as to who was actually driving at the time of the alleged offence.

 

Do not allow to be bullied into admitting you were the driver if you are not 100% certain it was indeed you driving.

 

Despite their fancy language and veiled threats the law demands that they have to prove the identity of the driver. The registered keeper only has to help as much as he can, but this can be open to interpretation --- people can be absent, forgetful etc.

 

Don't be offended, but judging from your spelling it might be best to let someone else handle the corresponance with officials. Every word counts, everything has to be phrased correctly. This is very important.

[Bobbeh]

Yeah, once you're in court, they dont have to show you it before that.

[Pete]

Have a read of these success stories on pepipoo forums

Most success seems to be delaying tactics when then result in a "6 month offence timeout".

 

A good start would be to read this post.

 

To submit a PACE statement - copy the template into Word, add your details, print it and sign it. You should write 'Please see attached' (and nothing else) on your s.172 form. Staple the PACE WS to the s.172 and send the documents to The Chief Constable using RMSD, as detailed above.

 

Submitting a PACE witness statement satisfies the statutory requirements of s.172 RTA 1988 of providing the driver details at the time of the alleged offence. It is not a cast-iron get out of jail free card and there may be a lot of research and swotting up for you to do in the future. The members here can and will provide guidance but, ultimately, it is down to you to decide which way to go and whether you want to put in the effort.

 

The Pepipoo 'archives' are full of relevant laws and their interpretations (in English !) and previous cases. You have plenty of time before a response is required. I suggest having a good read and try and digest as much info as you can. Post any questions you may have back into this thread.

[JohnA]

Yeah, once you're in court, they dont have to show you it before that.

That's their line, but if you insist the right way their refusal can appear as non-cooperation on their part

 

You need to keep words to an absolute minimum, same as information provided to them. ASK for as many details as you feel you need to have and do NOT give away anything specific if you don't have to.

 

They play power games and most people fall for their tactics. You could chose to be different.

[wewsupra]

thanks for the help, ill post it when i have read though and more awake lol.