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OK now I'm a bit surprised

 

I fitted a boost gauge today and lo and behold the 1.0 bar of boost or more I thought I was making it turns out I'm not. Defi boost gauge is showing up 0.65-0.7 bar of boost at peak.

 

Question is how the hell do you produce 365 bhp at the fly on that kind of boost? At 0.8 bar the car is supposed to only produce from the factory an argued 320 bhp.

 

Also with a no back box exhaust should the car not be running more boost than that?

 

I would seriously doubt the power figure from the dyno but all the other cars there that day pretty much made the power you would expect from them. In fact 2 of 10 were quite a bit below. 1 so much so he had it put on again to confirm it.

 

So the forums open how does a car produce 365 bhp at less than stock boost? And no its not got a hugemungous single turbo

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...Question is how the hell do you produce 365 bhp at the fly on that kind of boost? At 0.8 bar the car is supposed to only produce from the factory an argued 320 bhp......

So the forums open how does a car produce 365 bhp at less than stock boost? And no its not got a hugemungous single turbo

Maybe now you see why some of us find such dyno figures entertaining;)

 

So-called 400bhp supras struggling to do 14s anyone?:innocent:

 

Numbers are cheap, and punters will be happy and return to shops giving away fancy printouts.

Who wants to pay money to hear the truth? :search:

Spend money on 'performance' parts and 'specialised' labour and then not have bragging rights? Does that make commercial sense?:D

 

If you want half-decent comparisons, find a quiet stretch of road and get yourself an accelerometer. All will be revealed eventually.

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or get some real speeds noted on certain roads between 2 points after all im more interested in how fast the car will move than what it makes on the dyno.know of someone with a vauxhall vx turbo thingy which has 283bhp which would beat any roadgoing supra up to 110mph(ok i wouldnt fancy doing 180mph in it but)

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I have an accelerometer I can use. Yes its the green beast matey. And its now not for sale anymore until I can sort this issue out. Obvioulsy people aint happy about that but I can't sell a car I think theres a fault with. This dyno figure I realise is probably a bit on the high side as are they all but power on the 2JZGTE engine is very boost dependent and to see a higher figure than you expect on a low boost setting doesn't make sense. The car does if I'm honest feel all of the supposed power. As stated an accelerometer check would help verify the dyno.

 

The mods on the car would suggest it would boost higher than it is. Also the fact that before I did the top speed delimiter the car was displaying classic boost fuel cut symptoms

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or get some real speeds noted on certain roads between 2 points after all im more interested in how fast the car will move than what it makes on the dyno.know of someone with a vauxhall vx turbo thingy which has 283bhp which would beat any roadgoing supra up to 110mph(ok i wouldnt fancy doing 180mph in it but)

 

 

There was a modded monaro on the dyno straight after mine. It made the power figure it expected of it.

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So a 1/4 mile figure from a g-tech meter would be a good telltale?

Yes, but it'll never be a substitute for running down a properly prepped drag surface with accurate timing gear. Terminals at the end of the 1/4 indicate roughly how much power you're running. Have a look at this thread and you may well be able to work out bhp from using the formula:

 

http://s14.invisionfree.com/hadyn/index.php?showtopic=211

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Is this plumbed in the right place?? This is where the boost gauge tapping was plumbed in so I just replaced the greddy tapping with the defi one.

 

http://showoffyourcar.com/cars/TOYOTA/15565.jpg

 

 

I wouldn't plumb a gauge into there...the best place is by the MAP sensor on the intake manifold.

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I wouldn't plumb a gauge into there...the best place is by the MAP sensor on the intake manifold.

 

It should be fine where it is, although that's not he normal place, that's the manifold pressure reference for the BOV - should be the same.

 

First of all, what was measured at the wheels on the dyno. What fudge factor was used to convert that to crank figures? Did they not hook up a boost reference and give you a graph showing that too? You'd expect that from a dyno run.

 

Also, which gear was used for the run? It was converted to 6sp form wasn't it, so is 5th still 1:1 with the diff etc on there? If not how did they work it out, did they do a coast down? Always been very dubious of those.

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It should be fine where it is, although that's not he normal place, that's the manifold pressure reference for the BOV - should be the same.

 

Yeah I know...but I just wonder if the BOV will cause dicrepancies...maybe it's leaking?

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It should be fine where it is, although that's not he normal place, that's the manifold pressure reference for the BOV - should be the same.

 

First of all, what was measured at the wheels on the dyno. What fudge factor was used to convert that to crank figures? Did they not hook up a boost reference and give you a graph showing that too? You'd expect that from a dyno run.

 

Also, which gear was used for the run? It was converted to 6sp form wasn't it, so is 5th still 1:1 with the diff etc on there? If not how did they work it out, did they do a coast down? Always been very dubious of those.

 

Yeah they did a coast down job. To be fair it was a cheapy power run on a group buy. They wanted the cars on and off quickly. It was only a social trip really with a power figure.

 

http://www.westover.org.uk/si/power/brian1.pdf

 

I think he did it in fourth ya know but with the aftermarket diff in it who knows where 1:1 is.

 

So theres no chance I take it that the boost gauge take off is only reading one turbo pressure then? As thats the sort of boost difference I was expecting to see for that power figure. You are never gonna get 365 bhp at less than 1.0 bar in all reality. To be honest I was expecting double the boost figure.

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