black cat Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 is this ever gona happen??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 Na, doubtful!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black cat Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Na, doubtful!!! come on rosie, dont tease us??????? when...??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 seriously... no idea! got some parts to fit to see if it will run then, if yes then maybe end of may, if no then back to the drawing board with what could be causing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black cat Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 thats a bummer, at least its all fresh and not covered in salt and road filth:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I was talking about this with a colleague of mine. We came to the conclusion that a re-test every 10 years would be a good idea. just a very quick 20 minute drive up the road, as it should be instantly obvious if you've got a clue or not. If you haven't then we said you should have to re-take the full driving test, and if you fail then your licence is revoked. We also said that you should only be allowed to take your test a limited number of times. Maybe 3, but we couldn't decide if that was too harsh or not. Anyway, I don't think driving standards are any lower now than they were 10/15 years ago. You'll still get the young 'uns driving too quickly and taking one too many risks. The old dodderer's causing accidents but never actually being involved in them etc. etc. The only thing is now that there are more cars on the road the total number of these incidents is increasing, but I should think as a percentage of the total drivers, I doubt that it's actually increased by much if at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul gtir Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 in a way i think it should be made harder to do because there is so many pepole on the road that cant drive for s**t and i tend to find its older pepole that cause acidents aswell as young drivers there is bad drivers and good drivers it dont matter how old you are there is still going to be acidents due to the amount of trafick on the roads i am a young drivers aswell and have only just turned 21 and i have only been involved in one acident which was down to another driver i was sat wating to turn right and had been stood for a few minuts and a female driver came straight up the back of me doing about 50mph which coursed my car to be a wright of and there was about 20 witneses due to it been about 7pm on a friday night and it happand just out side a pub and everybody was in the beer garden and the womean just got out the car and admited straight to it . i have got a clean licence and have never made a claim on my own insurance or caused a acident and i have had a pefomance car from being 17 and have had my gtir with over 500bhp and capable of running 11.2 on the strip and never crashed it so it cant be all young drivers look at the police for instance they land more t5 on the roof than anybody and were i live they have a got a scooby prodive and within the first 3houres of having it they crashed it some pepole are bad and some pepole are good i think if you get more than 6points on your licence in the first year you should have to do your test again in my opition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Is the driving test enough? It's not! They should ban 95% of all female drivers. Everyone over 70. Everyone under 22. Any man who drives a Ford Puma/Ka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I don't believe in driving tests anyway, I think it should be up to the instructor to decide when you've reached a competent level of ability. Ho ho, middle-aged instructor, young girl student who really wants her licence. I wonder where that would go............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvatore Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 "The only way to improve your driving is through experience, and you can't teach that. You can only teach someone how to drive well, whether they choose to do so is up to them." So you're telling me if you went on an ARDS course or the like at Silverstone or anywhere like that, you would'nt learn anything at all?? I know we all like to think we are ace drivers, but there's always something you can learn or pick up... My point was that the current test is (as most people have already said), a bit of a waste of time, although it does indicate a basic skill level. There are so many cars on the road now (especially today!!), if we all had continual progressive training, i'm sure it'd help. How many times have we seen someone doing something incredibly stupid on the road, and said " where did he/she learn to drive?" And even if the government did make more money out of it, well, at least it might help pay for a better road system!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 And even if the government did make more money out of it, well, at least it might help pay for a better road system!! LOL That'll be the day... Pay for extra speed cameras more like.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul gtir Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 It's not! They should ban 95% of all female drivers. Everyone over 70. Everyone under 22. Any man who drives a Ford Puma/Ka. how do you come to that conclushion of banning anybody under 22 i am 21 and never had a acident and all of my mates have never had one either and we sometimes drive like loonys drifting around the rounderbout at 50mph and have not had a acident and just look at me for instance i am 21 and drive a car faster than most pepole on the road and my car has not been crashed but from your comment i take it you are over 22 but like stated salvatore you only inprove with experince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 So you're telling me if you went on an ARDS course or the like at Silverstone or anywhere like that, you would'nt learn anything at all?? I know we all like to think we are ace drivers, but there's always something you can learn or pick up... My point was that the current test is (as most people have already said), a bit of a waste of time, although it does indicate a basic skill level. There are so many cars on the road now (especially today!!), if we all had continual progressive training, i'm sure it'd help. How many times have we seen someone doing something incredibly stupid on the road, and said " where did he/she learn to drive?" And even if the government did make more money out of it, well, at least it might help pay for a better road system!! Not at all. However, someone that takes advanced driving lessons usually does so because they enjoy driving and *want* to improve their skill. Very different from joe average that wants their license so they can get from A to B, imo. I recently did my bike test and I wouldn't say it was easy, it's certainly more difficult than it used to be. The theory test was in two parts, with multiple choice and short video clips asking you to point out potential hazards. There were questions about the maintenance of the bike, and how a passenger affects the handling and performance, as well as the actual test. All good questions, but all to easy to just buy the theory book and memorise the answers without actually understanding them... I'm not saying the initial exam is a waste of time, just that frequent retests will be just yet another cost for the motorist, and clog up the test centres even more. I've never been a great believer of tests, as most people just learn what they have to, to pass. The ability of a driver when they take their test is going to be very much down to what the instructor has chosen to teach them, in addition to what's needed for the exam. My bike instructor wasn't required to teach counter steer, but he saw it as an essential skill in real life. He was right. As for the government using the money to spend in on the road.... Sorry, but I have to disagree with you there. Andrew7 - Valid point, prostitution is the oldest profession going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I think if people had a bit more respect for each other on the road and courtesy it would improve things a great deal, theres way too much arrogance and inconsideration about driving these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Hmm a difficult one... I think that the harder you make the driving test, the more arrogant and sure of their own superiority the ones who pass will be. People need to know that passing the test and being a confident driver doesn't make you a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 11, 2006 Author Share Posted April 11, 2006 Maybe there should be more stringent rules about how early instructors put you in for a test Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Maybe there should be more stringent rules about how early instructors put you in for a test That already exists SG... They aren't going to put you in for your test any sooner than have to, you are providing their living remember...the more lessons they can screw you for the richer they get. many driving schools impose a limit on how long you actually drive the car (to save petrol, wear and tear) and the rest of the lesson is spent sittiing at the side of the road........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 11, 2006 Author Share Posted April 11, 2006 but you dont have to take any lessons- your parent/brother/sister can teach you... but then is it fair to force people to pay for expensive lessons if they can be taught by someone else. I was in Ireland and apparently they are allowed to drive before passing on L plates, found this out after I'd got in the car, OMG I was so scared, she couldn't even reverse. Just kept panicking. Nightmare!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 And even if the government did make more money out of it, well, at least it might help pay for a better road system!! Where do you think your road tax goes at the moment, and if you think roads you are horribly wrong I'm afraid. As for road users is it because a lot of the younger drivers are from the "Playstation" age. They play their games on the Playstation and their is no consequence when they crash and burn and they think they can do this in real life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew7 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 but then is it fair to force people to pay for expensive lessons if they can be taught by someone else. Of course it is fair, you are driving what is potentially a lethal weapon... And if you had a choice, who would you prefer to fly with on safety grounds?.. A Cessna trained pilot or a trained British Airways 747 pilot?......no brainer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Of course it is fair, you are driving what is potentially a lethal weapon... And if you had a choice, who would you prefer to fly with on safety grounds?.. A Cessna trained pilot or a trained British Airways 747 pilot?......no brainer... Depends what plane you're going in...a 747 pilot is _probably_ going to be only a little more useful than a chocolate teapot in a Cesna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvatore Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Oh i give up! I was only giving my thoughts on the matter.., no need to get all !! I'm outta here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 And if you had a choice, who would you prefer to fly with on safety grounds?.. A Cessna trained pilot or a trained British Airways 747 pilot?......no brainer... Surely both are qualified pilots, but on different aircraft ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyJawa Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Is our driving test good enough? Is it fook. My bike test was 45 minutes, car should at least be the same. TBH being a biker and a car driver makes you alot more aware of whats going on around you too. However - I have two MAJOR issues with our current system. How can you get a licence to drive on our roads when motorway driving is not part of the test - I mean WTF?!?!?! Quite frankly, if you haven't trained on a motorway you shouldn't be allowed to use one - perhaps it should be a separate test - although difficult to police. I personally made my instructor take me on one for a little practice. The other thing with learning to drive today, is they do NOT teach you how to drive. They teach you how to pass your test and that is all - this in no way means you can drive with any shape or form of sense, care, idea etc. Schools teach you to pass so they can post up good pass figures. Its all a bunch of arse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Is our driving test good enough? Is it fook. My bike test was 45 minutes, car should at least be the same. TBH being a biker and a car driver makes you alot more aware of whats going on around you too. However - I have two MAJOR issues with our current system. How can you get a licence to drive on our roads when motorway driving is not part of the test - I mean WTF?!?!?! Quite frankly, if you haven't trained on a motorway you shouldn't be allowed to use one - perhaps it should be a separate test - although difficult to police. I personally made my instructor take me on one for a little practice. The other thing with learning to drive today, is they do NOT teach you how to drive. They teach you how to pass your test and that is all - this in no way means you can drive with any shape or form of sense, care, idea etc. Schools teach you to pass so they can post up good pass figures. Its all a bunch of arse. Well put and straight to the point, as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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