Supragal Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 There was a thing on the news about trying ot reduce the deaths of and cuased by young drivers. That thread about stupid things you'd done when you passed reminded me. I don't think that 1 single 20 min/30 min test is anywhere near enough to qualify anyone for driving on the road. Not only that but younger people are not only inexperienced at driving but also more likely to try stupid things. What could be done though? Raise the age? Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithaldo Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 But its not just a 20/30 minute test though is it.. theres all the lessons that people take leading up to the test. And it all depends on the person as to how many lessons they take. Maybe the younger learners should have to take the advanced driving test (pass plus) rather than it being an option.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvatore Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Hey rosie, i've been championing this idea for a long while now...compulsory re-tests every 5 years for all roadusers (be that pushbikes, motorbikes or cars). Not only would this keep everyone up to date on road driving safety, it would weed out the incompetant f**kwits who think they own the road. Just my two cent's-worth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 yes but to be tested for 20/30 mins is it enough? also lessons aren't compulsary- your mum could teach you to drive- or even just learn yourself but not on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 Hey rosie, i've been championing this idea for a long while now...compulsory re-tests every 5 years for all roadusers (be that pushbikes, motorbikes or cars). Not only would this keep everyone up to date on road driving safety, it would weed out the incompetant f**kwits who think they own the road. Just my two cent's-worth... yes maybe would be difficult though i'd imagine tht 90% of drivers would fail for not enough mirror checks etc although they are perfectly safe drivers. not putting on handbrake when stationary etc. we'd all have to keep on top of our textbook driving thats for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvatore Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Well it'd certainly help IMO..maybe a sliding scale for performance as opposed to a pass/fail... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 yes more based on safety I think, generally first test included Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markymark Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 My girlfriend is from Northern Ireland and they have a system for new drivers which I think works well. They still have L plates when they are learning, but as soon as they pass their driving test, they have to wear an R plate (restricted driver) on their car. Although they can drive on motorways etc... they are not allowed to drive over 45mph. Obviously most do, but the difference is, if the police catch them, it's an immediate 3/6 points - and 6 points mean you lose your licence and have to start from the beginning again. She can't believe that over here there are NO restrictions on new drivers - after all, as you say Rosie, a 20/30 minute test (length depending on before or after lunchtime ) that there is still a lot to learn (on your own) as a driver. Quite a few of her friends have lost their licence for doing 50mph, for illegal number plates (graphics etc...) or you can even get 6 points for not displaying your R plate in the car (3 points per plate, front & rear). It's crazy that Northern Ireland is still part of the United Kingdom, but they don't have some sort of regulations on new drivers here?? They seem to use Scotland, England & Wales for the test-runs for these sort of ideas, but never seem to bring them to England, even if they work!! rant over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black cat Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 i think it is good enough to learn to drive A car but not to drive in todays world. more skill is what should be pushed. Almost anyone can drive round corners and in a straight line, more defensive driving lessons. avoiding things and getting out of the way, the number of times you here of people going down the inside of a lorry on a round about or braking hard in front of a HGV. just usfull info. Braking distance WTF!!! all depends in the car.... who can judge 96 metres?? "how was i supposed to now that the trailer come come into me??" errr i thought it was obvious......... tt steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I think there should be different levels of license, enabling different things. For example, your basic test should be OK for an average car, doing average driving. A motorway test should be required before high-speed driving. A 'large-vehicle' test for 4x4 road-crushers or anything weighing over two tonnes. Plus testing and taxing for push-bikes - wobbly gits weaving about in their stupid lycra, riding three-abreast at 5 miles per hour! GAAAA!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Hey rosie, i've been championing this idea for a long while now...compulsory re-tests every 5 years for all roadusers (be that pushbikes, motorbikes or cars). Not only would this keep everyone up to date on road driving safety, it would weed out the incompetant f**kwits who think they own the road. Just my two cent's-worth... Will it b*llocks, it'd just make a hell of a lot more money for the government. Retest for the elderly or for people that have been diagnosed with a condition that could affect their driving fair enough. The only way to improve your driving is through experience, and you can't teach that. You can only teach someone how to drive well, whether they choose to do so is up to them. I don't believe in driving tests anyway, I think it should be up to the instructor to decide when you've reached a competent level of ability. I don't know if it's still the case, but when I did my driving test you didn't have to have any motorway experience. I had a motorway lesson after my driving test, and personally I think this should be compulsory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 There needs to be a syllabus for driving instructors to follow, similar to teachers where they have to cover specific things and spend a cetain amount of time on each part. E.g. night driving, peak driving time, National speed limit driving etc. Perhaps as was mentioned in the news a cc limit for young drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I think it should be part of the lessons/test requirements that you should spend a set amount of time on a bike/scooter. A few hours on 2 wheels would soon make people realise the importance of good observations, safe distances, etc. And, yes, re-tests would be a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRalphMan Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I thought that over here if you get 6 points in the first 2 years it's bye bye licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I thought that over here if you get 6 points in the first 2 years it's bye bye licence. It is, my friend's brother (20yrs) got his license revoked for two lots of speeding fines, has to retake the test so he is having more lessons to iron out bad habits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wackojacko Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 The driving test is enough. Problem is these days is that 17/18 year olds are far more stupid and Irresponsible, they don't respect the Law/Other people. So therefore are much worse drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 The driving test is enough. Problem is these days is that 17/18 year olds are far more stupid and Irresponsible, they don't respect the Law/Other people. So therefore are much worse drivers. Are they? I passed my test 13 years ago and I had no respect for the law/other people, neither did most of my mates. Anyone that's just passed their test is going to be a liability, especially someone young with something to prove. Women generally reverse into things, and blokes crash trying to show off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 or better still - ban all bmw drivers - problem solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 or better still - ban all bmw drivers - problem solved and all Audi drivers... they're the worst! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 I agree with the no test but passing a strict course would be better. It's too easy to pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Its a waste of time, as people never drive in the test as they do normally anyway. Bad habbits creep in and people chose to adopt various things and chose not to adopt others so extending a test isnt gonna make a blind bit of difference imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squiffy Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 thats true you just have to drive how the instructor wants you to, nothing like how i usualy do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 And I think there is a big difference between a safe driver and someone who can drive as per a textbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black cat Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 And I think there is a big difference between a safe driver and someone who can drive as per a textbook. would that be you then???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 which one? I'm neither haha. Actually I'm quite safe, mostly because I'm boring and sensible. Prob a different story if I ever drive the Supe again!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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