Bye guys

[Bill Prawn]

Arnout,

 

Does this not answer some of your questions?

 

I know it did mine, although I am sure that there are some money saving measures to be made it still gives an account of what goes on and where.

 

I agree with you that if you give advice than you should have som sort of recompense, but that is not what this site is for. we don't have a pay-per-view system and if you don't want to give free advice then don't post it.

 

I don't really benefit from group buys and certainly not from the club insurance because I have never found anyone to beat my yearly premium, but I know others have.

 

Plus the free information that is supplied on here when something 'happens' to the car is easily worth the £10 that is asked for.

 

The mods and site organisers do a good job (even Mawby, although he's not a Supra owner) totally unpaid and often against some hostile backlashes and I personally think this is one of the better forums on the web.

[Mad Matt]

Arnout you'll find you are too late, costs were publised as requested. Also, plenty of people abroad use the group buys/merchandise etc not sure why you can't.

 

If you can get the person who paid your lifetime membership to pm one of the mods with the details then we will be able to activate your lifetime membership and make any necessary apologies for the admin error.

 

[JohnA]

... As I said, I don't pay and give advice free of charge. If I contribute I expect return of investment. So if I pay, I don't help anyone....

I'm not totally sure what this could mean.

 

In any case I hope that you work something out with the Admins. I'd be sorry to see you go Arnout, it's nice to have knowledgeable people around.

[andrew7]

Arnout

I can't help thinking you are cutting off your nose to spite your face..........

OK so it is agreed you are capable of providing valued information to the users of this site.

But can you really say, in all honesty, that other members contributions have not been of any value to you?..

If they have, then it has to be worth a small paid membership, purely on financial grounds...

Or do you in fact know all there is to know, and require no outside input at all?........

[Supragal]

Also, mod hat off here but you do sound like you think you are the only person who has any techincal knowledge and input to the forum.

[Mad Matt]

Further to this.... there are a lot of very very knowledgable people on this forum, and they all pay their subs and have never once kicked up such a storm about this issue as much as you have, nor do they expect any preferential treatment just because they 'know more than other members'. (We all have to start somewhere and learn from there!) I know i've learnt a lot from this site, but i knew nothing when i joined!

 

We have made our accounts public, and we are in no way hiding anything from you, or ANY of our other 'happy' members!

 

I'm not saying that you are not valuable to this site, but i also want to say that you are not the 'only' valuable member either! Every member deserves the right to speak his/her mind, but at the end of the day this is a COMMUNITY, and you are turning it into a 'business'. Do you seriously think we're all here gaining from this financially???

 

Just take a moment to reflect on this last and final comment i have on the matter:

 

"WE DO NOT GET PAID A SINGLE PENNY FOR MODERATING THIS SITE. AND ANY MONEY LEFT GETS PUT STRAIGHT BACK INTO THE CLUB FOR EVENTS AND PROMOTING THE SITE!"

 

Either stay with us, or don't, but this matter is wearing thin on me now!

[Gerry]

3) Hey but you haven't posted much last year. Yes, 100% correct. Why? Because I had to pay for my membership. As I said, I don't pay and give advice free of charge. If I contribute I expect return of investment. So if I pay, I don't help anyone.

 

I'm really pleased that 99% of the other helpful members on here don't think like that !

 

Whist on that subject, thank's to all who have helped us over the last couple of years (for free) !

 

We're thinking of changing cars, but one of the big reasons why it will be another Supe is the friends we have made on here and the massive support I can call on. I know that if I get a squeek or a bang some helpful person will only to quickly offer both advice and in most cases hands on help.

 

Cheers Guys....

[AJI]

arnout - I'm personally glad you're leaving if you have the attitude that you expect to be paid for every helpful comment you make on an internet forum.

The whole reason we have a club website is so that members can exchange information/ideas/advice etc. etc. to other members. If your attitude is that you want people to pay you for your input then you're basically a waste of space on the member's list.

I'm glad to pay £10 so that a website like this can exist... if the club didn't charge £10 then the site would not be anywhere as good as it is right now.

 

I'm all for free information and all that... the internet should always be a source of free information and I hope this is where you're coming from (but from your recent post it sounds like a gripe against the club itself).... but I see the £10 membership fee as a means to keep this site running and not as a fee for access to information.

[tbourner]

I've paid up now but I would have happily continued paying £10 a year to stay even after selling my Supe. What's the big frickin deal!!!

 

If your information is SOOOOO valuable that you can't comprehend paying for a club that YOU are helping, then bog off, I'm sure you won't be too badly missed.

Otherwise pay the fee, stay, help if you like, if not don't, who cares, why make a big S&D over it?

 

And anyway, should (by your rationale) membership fee reduce in relation to knowledge? So Ian C would pay 20p whereas I'd still be paying £8.70?

[Ian W]

...whereas I'd still be paying £8.70....

 

think awfully highly of yourself, don't ya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(just kidding mate, if it worked like that i'd be paying about £50 a year!!)

[Ian C]

Dammit Trev shush, I was just about to start charging the club £10 per techie post I do

 

-Ian

[TLicense]

Arnout,

 

I don't understand why you keep posting though? Are you hoping that one of your statements is going to change someone's mind and let you in for free?

If you don't agree with the club policies then leave.

 

You said yourself that you've used info from this site, so are you saying we should charge you for that priviledge? OK it's a tenner a year.

 

Also, whilst I really do bow done to how you've pushed the Supra community on with things like your cast manifolds and the like, I have to say, your attitude is massively arrogant and generally stinks.

 

I really hope that you see sense and rethink what you've said, as before I really thought you were a good guy, but you've really put doubts into me from what you've said.

 

Best of luck though with whatever you do in the future.

[tbourner]

think awfully highly of yourself, don't ya

 

I was actually deciding whether to put in a higher figure! , but at least I know some things, like it's a V6 obviously, and the turbos are on the nearside.

[Ian W]

I was actually deciding whether to put in a higher figure! , but at least I know some things, like it's a V6 obviously, and the turbos are on the nearside.

 

sweet, you may be able to help me then!!

 

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what does the red button do in front of the gear lever on my jspec auto?

[Mad Matt]

sweet, you may be able to help me then!!

 

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what does the red button do in front of the gear lever on my jspec auto?

 

[Ian W]

oh, and i forgot to ask........do you charge per question or level of difficulty etc?

 

[jamesmark]

3) Hey but you haven't posted much last year. Yes, 100% correct. Why? Because I had to pay for my membership. As I said, I don't pay and give advice free of charge. If I contribute I expect return of investment. So if I pay, I don't help anyone.

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well the guy obviously dont want to leave or he would not have replied,

 

i cant believe that he feels that he has to charge for advise, how far up his own arse is he?

 

if everyone had such a self centred tight arsed selfish attitude as that then there would be no help for useless folk like myself that have just started in the performance car scene and need all the help that i can get, i wonder when he never had a clue and started out, was he charged for every bit of advice that was given to him?

[Bill Prawn]

(just kidding mate, if it worked like that i'd be paying about £50 a year!!)

 

And I could never afford to post on here:rolleyes:

[Mike]

if everyone had such a self centred tight arsed selfish attitude as that then there would be no help for useless folk like myself that have just started in the performance car scene and need all the help that i can get, i wonder when he never had a clue and started out, was he charged for every bit of advice that was given to him?

 

[Max Headroom]

Just a few questions .... Who the f*%k is Arnout? Never heard of him? Why so many pages on this thread? If he doesnt want to pay say goodbye and thank you, the whole forum isn't going to be any less because of him.

[mawby]

3) Hey but you haven't posted much last year. Yes, 100% correct. Why? Because I had to pay for my membership. As I said, I don't pay and give advice free of charge. If I contribute I expect return of investment. So if I pay, I don't help anyone.

I wasn't going to waste more of my time replying to you having spent the last three days sorting out the club accounts, BUT, you are telling me you chose not to help fellow members because you had to pay the membership fee? No wait.... you didn't have to pay your membership fee!!!! Someone else paid it for you so you could continue to contribute to the club yet you have just admitted to chosing not too!!!

 

What that says to me is you have no interest in helping people unless you are made to look all big and important. Being able to post here because someone paid your memebship fee isn't good enough for you. You have to prove that you are so important that you deserve free membership or you're not interested. That's not the attitude of someone trying to help the Supra community as you claim.

 

And as for "If I contribute I expect return of investment." I take it you have never asked a question in the technical forum? I'm sure a quick search would prove otherwise. Getting help and advice from others is the only return of investment you should be expecting in return for your help and advice.

[JohnA]

I don't forsee much ROI from this thread, guess I should stop contributing he he...

[mawby]

No the money goes to other things, not only bandwidth. Ok, then please explain and show me (us) where to money is going. If I agree, ten quid is on the way. If I don't see any decent explanation, I am not going to pay.

WTF is wrong with you. You kick up a fuss about the accounts, so I spend 3 days producing some (but please don't kid yourself thinking I did it just for you!) and now are you telling me you couldn't even be bothered to read them?

[mawby]

I have paid when I was at billings in cash to Branners (seven girlfriends ago, so at least 5 years), I still have my membership card No. 339. Then when this board became a paying board (last year) someone paid for me and I heard through various channels this was a lifetime signup fee. Now I have to pay again.

Well you heard wrong. Why not try asking the people who know instead of hearing what you want to hear "through various channels". If you paid Branners 5 years ago, and someone paid your membership fee last year, you still have another year to pay before you are entitled to lifetime membership.

[Scooter]

 

if everyone had such a self centred tight arsed selfish attitude as that then there would be no help for useless folk like myself that have just started in the performance car scene and need all the help that i can get, i wonder when he never had a clue and started out, was he charged for every bit of advice that was given to him?

 

Only contact i've had with Arnout was a PM request from me regarding the length of the aux belt if you removed the aircon. He didn't know me from Adam, and i got a reply. That is an indication to me that he does not have a "self centred tight arsed selfish attitude".