Bye guys

[Scooter]

who else on here was gonna make a cast manifold? he made one initially for his own car didn't he? what may he make in the future that we may now not see/know about?

 

Its a shame to lose any member but particularly a longstanding knowledgeable and innovative one.

 

Some people go on about it only being a tenner, and yet if there was a poll on whether Arnout could be granted free membership they would probably vote no, as this isn't fair ie why should i pay my tenner and he not? but then if you feel you get good value for money why should it matter if some Dutch enthusiast posts on here once in a while for free.

 

 

Anyway thats my 2p and for what its worth, i still think that johnny foreigners should have free membership.............

[carl0s]

So where are you going hang out then Arnout?

Still be good to monitor your projects somewhere else.

 

here mate http://www.supras.nl/phpBB2/index.php

[Tom S]

who else on here was gonna make a cast manifold? he made one initially for his own car didn't he? what may he make in the future that we may now not see/know about?

 

So he made one for his car, then sold loads to others to help pay for the 1st one.

 

 

why should it matter if some Dutch enthusiast posts on here once in a while for free.

 

We are all enthusiasts aren't we??

 

i still think that johnny foreigners should have free membership.............

 

So how long before we all move abroad then!!

[Ribenaberry]

I paid my 10 quid for membership on the day i bought the car.

 

I then told Sky insurance about my membership of this prestigious club. and they dropped my insurance by 200 quid on my next closest quote.

 

Profit = 200 - 10 = 190 quid. I think that for a lot of people, therein lies the benefit of the club.

 

Not to mention the nice stickers i got for my rear windows.

[jamesmark]

I then told Sky insurance about my membership of this prestigious club. and they dropped my insurance by 200 quid on my next closest quote.

 

Profit = 200 - 10 = 190 quid. I think that for a lot of people, therein lies the benefit of the club.

 

 

even the £30 membership still saving of £170 still a massive gain,

 

and not to mention the people on here that help out, and for me they have been a massive help, so thanks guys for that!!!!!!!!!

 

there help alone is worth the £30

[MONKEYmark]

how come a huge forum like supraforums dont charge members? supra forums makes this place look small.we have zillions of traders who making money.that must bring in a fair amount.30 pounds is not much for life membership.i dont mind paying.you can find way more info on supraforums if you need it. this forum is more for chit chat and keeping in contact with friends. do we actually need members cards and stickers and mugs and pens.i never had any members packs.would have gone straight in bin as its a waste of money to me.

[MARTIN R]

I reckon if £10 is too much then maybe joining the Nissan Micra owners club would be a good shout

 

Anyway all the best

[carl0s]

I paid my 10 quid for membership on the day i bought the car.

 

I then told Sky insurance about my membership of this prestigious club. and they dropped my insurance by 200 quid on my next closest quote.

 

Yeah but you don't have to actually BE a member for that You could just say you're a member

[carl0s]

how come a huge forum like supraforums dont charge members? supra forums makes this place look small.we have zillions of traders who making money.that must bring in a fair amount.30 pounds is not much for life membership.i dont mind paying.you can find way more info on supraforums if you need it. this forum is more for chit chat and keeping in contact with friends. do we actually need members cards and stickers and mugs and pens.i never had any members packs.would have gone straight in bin as its a waste of money to me.

 

SF were discussing charging a membership fee recently, because their forums are always down and there's too much chitchat there.

[andrew7]

Grow up arnout...

The bandwidth this forum need costs money mate and if you think that one single bit of good advice you get on here over the year doesn't save you at least a tenner, there's something wrong with your head....

 

I don't even own a Supra and it's saved me more already....

[psymon]

Best tenner Ive spent in the last 8months, bar spending on the soop :d

Loads of info and great members.......

Who cares where it goes, its given for those people that put time and effort into the running of the club and this fantastic website, where most members would be stuck without it...

 

Fantastic value for money, keep up the very good work guys, I ran a club for 2 years and know whats involved behind the glamour most peole see.

 

A very appriciative member

 

Thankyou :d

Si

[Supragal]

Maybe catch you around. Best wishes.

[Darren-K]

I'm signing off again. My membership was paid last year by someone who did care I am posting here. I am not paying myself the membership fee as I am not going to pay to an organisation who doesn't give out any clarification on what happens with the money. Branners, we've met in past and I do know you are ok, but if someone asks a question it's often better to just reply than to close the thread and say we are all childs and must listen to the big daddy.

A club is made by the members. If we pay, we must see what happens with the money.

Anyways, this was not meant as a rant topic, it was just a general goodbye to anyone. Have fun.

well,.

im sorry i stumbled on the post sooo late,. ive only read the above quote and felt i had to say my bit,. im not sure if my points have allready been mentioned.,anyways.

 

i own a decent site,and have been running it for 5 years now - and this year for the 1st time i asked for payment for the facilities from my members,,

i ask from them £1 per month.

for this they get almost unlimted music hosting and a website to call there own.

what my members get for there money is a few things,.

for example - good advice and help with there own productions,.

the hosting and website for them.,

and the money also covers the money i pay in advance for the server,. the time i put into keeping the main website and the artist sites running smoothly and general maintenance.

thats what my members get for there £1 a month.

 

now over to Mk4 site (here) as i see it,its like this..

if you are serious about your car then this site is the number 1 site to be a member of.

the help and advice you can get for your car is invaluble,.

personaly i love my car,. and am very pleased i am a member here - i know if i get stuck with my car and need advice / help whatever its here.

theres some extremely knowledgable people here and £10 a year is nothing to pay,.

its the same price as 1 packet of ciggies and a couple of beers.,

plus you get a nice membership card and make new friends.,

so im sorry ,i dont think you have any issue to leave cos of £10 .

[Darren-K]

and...............

if this site makes money,then good.,

do you have any idea of how much time and input is needed to keep a site running, even before actual costs,.

running my site is litteraly a full time job., so why shouldnt i make a bit of money ?

[AlanM]

Never ever regretted joining this forum, well worth the money, every time you log on you pick up something that is worth while knowing - every time. my thanks to the knowledgable

[Clarkey]

Later Arnout! It would be a shame to loose your AEM mapping knowledge.

 

As this thread - is steering to the £10 membership.

 

I don't care about the £10. Infact, I'm not in the least bit interested - which is why I seldom reply to these threads. I would suggest to the mods - to create a thread in the FAQ section.

 

Put all the info in the thread - and then get a mod to lock it. If anyone wants abit of Q & A - then PM the nearest mod.

[Ark]

Oh FFS!

So one more primadonna throws his toys out of the pram.

Who cares???

 

This is a club, not a traders site. I'm perfectly sure this guy will still be around to sell his wares one way or another.

[CJ]

...This is a club, not a traders site. I'm perfectly sure this guy will still be around to sell his wares one way or another.

I think that is a little harsh. If you read the earlier posts you will see that Arnout is one of the most innovative people on the site and is technical knowledge was also very welcome. He didnt just come on here to "sell his wares".

[Ark]

I think that is a little harsh. If you read the earlier posts you will see that Arnout is one of the most innovative people on the site and is technical knowledge was also very welcome. He didnt just come on here to "sell his wares".

 

I don't doubt any of that. All I'm saying is that he appears to think he's better and/or different to everyone else, and that membership rules shouldn't apply to him. Every other full club member pays - it's only £10.

 

Anyway, my original point was that this is a pointless discussion - Branners has laid down the law, exactly as before on the "where do funds go" thread and that should be the end of it.

[Scooter]

I think that is a little harsh. If you read the earlier posts you will see that Arnout is one of the most innovative people on the site and is technical knowledge was also very welcome. He didnt just come on here to "sell his wares".

 

 

precisely this thread http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=27533

alone shows his innovation skills and also must be one of the few threads where nearly all the other traders have posted respecting the work/effort cost etc involved.

 

Is he a primandonna/ tight git for not paying the tenner? maybe, but are we all short sighted and petty not to keep someone like this from posting here? i'd say definitely. I genuinely believe that it is our collective loss that future threads/info like the one in the above link will no longer be available to us on here..................

[CJ]

I don't doubt any of that. All I'm saying is that he appears to think he's better and/or different to everyone else, and that membership rules shouldn't apply to him. Every other full club member pays - it's only £10.

 

Anyway, my original point was that this is a pointless discussion - Branners has laid down the law, exactly as before on the "where do funds go" thread and that should be the end of it.

I agree with that but your post suggested he was there as a trader solely to promote his wares and I was merely pointing out that this was not entirely true.

[CJ]

precisely this thread http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?t=27533

alone shows his innovation skills and also must be one of the few threads where nearly all the other traders have posted respecting the work/effort cost etc involved.

 

Is he a primandonna/ tight git for not paying the tenner? maybe, but are we all short sighted and petty not to keep someone like this from posting here? i'd say definitely. I genuinely believe that it is our collective loss that future threads/info like the one in the above link will no longer be available to us on here..................

I agree with that too. Unfortunately, Arnout's demeanour sometimes comes across badly (well, he is Dutch ) and more arrogant than he means it to be.

[mikeyb10supra]

i see what you done there

 

Clever Eh!! aren't I the comedy genius

[arnout]

ok to further explain my leave and to answer some of the questions or assumption here is one of the last posts by me, cause my membership will expire in 7 days:

 

1) I have paid when I was at billings in cash to Branners (seven girlfriends ago, so at least 5 years), I still have my membership card No. 339. Then when this board became a paying board (last year) someone paid for me and I heard through various channels this was a lifetime signup fee. Now I have to pay again.

 

2) I don't pay 10 quid, or whatever any fee, if in return I give people advice, tell you about developments and considerations etc.etc. The forum is made by the members contributing and is for sure NOT made or OWNED by the moderators or the people hosting this site. What is more important, people posting and answering questions or people paying money?

 

3) Hey but you haven't posted much last year. Yes, 100% correct. Why? Because I had to pay for my membership. As I said, I don't pay and give advice free of charge. If I contribute I expect return of investment. So if I pay, I don't help anyone.

 

4) Shut up you sold loads of your cast manifolds, you are a concealed trader. Not correct guys. I developed the cast manifold to get the whole supra community one step higher and to provide a product to the community. I haven't actively sold any manifold on the forums and I posted the whole development of the product because I assumed people liked it. A few manifolds were sold in the UK and that has all been done by Terry S, who is (or was) an official trader on the board.

 

5) Comon you have enough money, you make your own stroker kit you got the fastest skyline in the Netherlands. What do you care about 10 quid.

As I said: A community should be free of any charge. The traders can pay for the hosting. The forum on my supra site is paid in full by the only trader as well (yes, that is myself).

 

6) We have enough benefits for members like group buys and insurance discounts. Well guys, remember I am in HOLLAND, AMSTERDAM. You know, skip death and go straight to paradise. Traders, discounts, insurance, group buys, it means *nothing* to me. I am here in Holland. I cannot use anything of it.

 

7) Bandwidth costs so much money these days, the forums burn the money. If this is the problem, I do have a server ready to host this site free of charge. If that is where the ten quid per member goes to, let's move everything to my server and give every single member their money back. The money paid by the traders will easily cover my server's costs.

 

8) No the money goes to other things, not only bandwidth. Ok, then please explain and show me (us) where to money is going. If I agree, ten quid is on the way. If I don't see any decent explanation, I am not going to pay.

[Supragal]

Arnout you'll find you are too late, costs were publised as requested. Also, plenty of people abroad use the group buys/merchandise etc not sure why you can't.

 

If you can get the person who paid your lifetime membership to pm one of the mods with the details then we will be able to activate your lifetime membership and make any necessary apologies for the admin error.