RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 need some advice if possible, apologies in advance for the Essay I had a broken wheel bearing, bought parts from Steve Manley, Phoned Pentagon Toyota in Rotherham for a fitting quote. they said £30 if the hub is off the car, approx £00 if its on the car. they stated they didnt want to remove my hub, and so the £300 was an 'at least' figure. they stated that it was likely they would sheer some bolts if they removed it. So, 5 days later, i managed to remove it myself. it looked a massive job, but i did it. main problem was keeping warm really, and as i moved systematically and carefully through it, using my CD rom manual, i was ok really. Took my hub to Toyota, they say the drive flange is well worn, and needs to be replaced, more parts from Steve Manley (nice one ) and they call me eventually to say its done. fit it all back, as stated in the manual, torque it all up, nice one i think, easy Collect and refit, drive a few miles to a show, hear a kind of thrumming noise, not good i think, but is this the sound of a new bearing fettling itself in some way. noise abates a little, so i think must be ok. on returning from the show, around 5 miles from home noise starts again. gradually getting worse, but not to the extent where you think oh shit, its coming off...i just kept my speed down and got home. Having jacked up the car and grabbed the wheel, it is quite literally all over the place. totally shot. Now having removed the wheel, and the hub from the car, i can see that the hub/drive flange is rocking in its bearings within the axle carrier.....(see pic) Just phoned Toyota, everyone has gone home, and i will get a call from the General Manager in the morning. The advice i require is am i within my rights to kick off in the biggest of styles? Im so totally pissed off with this repair, i cant be bothered with the car, im thinking of selling must stress that this is in no way reflective of Steve Manley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 sorry for being Dum here Rob what were your symptoms in the first place to know the hub was shot??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 it had been making a very quiet grumbling on reversing, and clonked at a certain point on my drive. it sounded like a slight tinkling, and it had really been bugging me. id had no idea it was as bad as a bearing going. one night out with a mate, it started screaching, and only bein 100 yards from home, i returned and gave him a lift home in my brothers car. on checking i found i could rock the wheel a little, and it was a bit loose. its actually a lot worse now, with new bearing and drive flange. when i first got the car, its front bearing was also gone, but i suspect it was a race type car in japland as it came with drift spec suspension and a roll cage. like i said, no bad reflection on Steve Manley, and no bad reflection on the car. its really Pentagon Toyota im having grief with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 I had this when changed by bearings, all because i didnt use the one of the new 'Inner Race' parts. The old one looked fine, no damage, no marks so it was easier to leave it in (looked a right PITA to get out). So left it in, pressed in the rest of the bearing, refitted hub to the car, put the wheel back on to find the wheel was all over the place. Took it all apart again and now realised that the new 'Inner Race' part was a slightly different size, so had to get the bearing out again, including the other 'Inner Race'. Fitted the new one, pressed it all back in, refit on car and all was know ok. Wonder if they have done the same?? Hope that makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 interesting point. the new bearing was one of the normal types, that dont have an inner/outer race section. that i can see. just off to check now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 yeah, having checked now, the inner outer race sems to be an older type of wheel bearing. mine was a normal type of ball bearing with the inner and outer race in one piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 So the same problem i had then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 not really mate old bearing 2 piece like you say, new bearing one piece negating requirement to have an inner race put into place. went out with the old inner race from the old knackered bearing, and it is replaced by a one piece inner, so its not that you can literally grab the studs and move the drive flange part (named 'hub' on the diagram) around inside the axle carrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 This is the picture taken from the EPC, it is different to the one above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 Col, thats what my bearing looks like, as in the new one that went in. i assume at some point the old inner and outer race idea was scrapped, and a new one piece normal bearing used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 right, i wonder if that circlip thing is broken, or if i need a new axle carrier (the lumpy cast part) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Could you remove the inner race on both sides of your new bearing?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 no, it was a normal solid ball bearing....i think the 3 piece one with removable inner nad outer races has been superceded by this new one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 They might have fecked the bearing it they applied the load to the wrong place when they pressed it in. i.e. pressed only on the inner race when pressing the outer into its housing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Thats weird, as i could still remove both inner races on my new one. Did mine back in November. Wonder if the bearings have been altered since? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 oh good im thinking, and bear in mind im no expert engineer, but im thinking anyway, that it could be the actual cast axle carrier that is shot? i cant see any other explanation...of course, they probably could habe knackered it....but the bearing and hub/drive flange were new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 might have done Smarty, judging by Colsoops EPC there, it loos the same as mine, wheras my cutaway on the first post looks like yours (which is what i removed ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Thats weird, as i could still remove both inner races on my new one. Did mine back in November. Wonder if the bearings have been altered since? Didn't i quote you the part numbers for the wheel bearings ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Didn't i quote you the part numbers for the wheel bearings ? Yes mate you did, i ordered them from Steve Manley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 I thought so, they are the same ones that i have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 unless Toyota kept same part number and changed the part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Wrong part in box??? Any pics of it Rob?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 old parts on shelf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted March 10, 2006 Author Share Posted March 10, 2006 to reiterate my original question. am i right to have strong words with there service controller? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Did you guys get this sorted out? I might be doign my rear wheel bearings soon and although the instructions in the service manual show a separate two piece iner race the EPC just shows a single piece captive inner race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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