CJ Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 I'm glad you like the 6-speed now - bet it paniced/confused you at first! When I got my VVT-i it was a nightmare to shift when cold, and the oil that came out was the wrong colour. I was truly pissed off Alex as I had really enjoyed the auto box and could quite easily have stuck with that (and therefore saved money) but decided to try the 6 speed. At first it was a mare - but, as I say, I am now a really happy bunny and can see why people enjoy the manual so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 glad you got it sorted and you like it. I never thought the box was that bad (in fact I love it personally). I wonder how many people have wrong / old oil, making it seems worse than it really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 CJ, one bit of advice I would give is to not fit a short shift kit. I've driven a lot of manuals in the last couple of years and those with short shifts are far to clunky. They do provide a slightly shorter throw through 1-2, 3-4 & 5-6 but I honestly think its faster with the smoother shift of the standard linkage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 CJ, one bit of advice I would give is to not fit a short shift kit. I've driven a lot of manuals in the last couple of years and those with short shifts are far to clunky. They do provide a slightly shorter throw through 1-2, 3-4 & 5-6 but I honestly think its faster with the smoother shift of the standard linkage. TBH, I am now very happy with it in its standard form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockys96 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 now your left hand might grow as big as your right, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supRo Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 TBH, I am now very happy with it in its standard form Don't bother with a B&M short shift CJ, makes the gear change slightly tighter but I don't think it's a justifiable mod especially mucking about with what already is a superb gearbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockys96 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 yes, dont get the b&m, my bro has one on his lexus, the shifts seem too close, i.e select wrong gear. and its a pig to get in reverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 FWIW I dont think g.box oil should be in more than 36K or 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith C Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 I think that whats happening is no-one really knows what to put in that box so they put standard manual box fluid in it. After speaking to Oilman about it its not doing any damage its just making your initial gear changes a bit more difficult. Most garages of a non toyota nature really wont wont imagine that an ATF will be in a high performance cars gearbox. Eh? a) I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed from various sources that the wrong fluid does damage the seals. b) ATF in manual boxes is as common as you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 I would have to disagree about the B&M short shifter. It is after all just a shorter gearlever, doesn't affect the box at all. In my aristo it puts the gearknob firmly in the palm of your hand with your elbow rested comfortably on the centre armrest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Eh? a) I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed from various sources that the wrong fluid does damage the seals. It's been confirmed by Getrag themselves. There's a tech note from them on the subject on mkiv.com somewhere. You should never use anything but V160 oil. Short shifters move the pivot point higher, which means the effort required increases. Simple leverage really. Matter of taste whether you prefer a longer easier throw or a shorter notchier one really. I quite like mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Eh? a) I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed from various sources that the wrong fluid does damage the seals. b) ATF in manual boxes is as common as you like. Hey don't shoot the messenger I am only saying what I have been told by someone that knows oil a lot better than I do. Bear in mind I know a lot about oil as I used to work in oil analysis and modern seals are relatively unnaffected by oils and most fuels. Different grades of transmission oils are generally only different in basic stuff like viscosity. Even mineral and non mineral oils don't adversly affect seals these days. Its not til you get into differing hydraulic oils of which ATF is one that you start to get into iffy territories and even then you have to get into nasty oils like skydrol before you start to perish non specific oil type seals. ATF being common in manual boxes is a new one on me but thats not saying alot as I know aircraft transmissions not vehicle ones lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 It's been confirmed by Getrag themselves. There's a tech note from them on the subject on mkiv.com somewhere. You should never use anything but V160 oil. And I bet they never envisaged someone sticking 700 BHP through that box either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/getrag/no_redline/getrag.html There you go. Personally I would take the opinion of the guys that designed the gearbox rather than someone who sells oils, but there you go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dee_rz Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 can someone give me a number and place where i can order this oil from please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockys96 Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 go to members section, at the top there is a sticky, which says cheap toyota parrts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Or contact oilman opie oils ad banner mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 Or contact oilman opie oils ad banner mate. Do Opie sell V160 then?? V160 is available from Toyota parts depts.. and some other retailers like Envy. Part Number : 08885-01306 Oil FAQ here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dee_rz Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 ok who does it for the best price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 No they sell some good stuff that fuchs do. If you consider the age of these cars and how many of them have toyota history ie virtually none of them chances are high that quite a lot of them are running non V160 oils in them. You don't hear about gearboxs going bang every week now do ya? Seen a few diffs give up lately though so its worth considering changing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flat4_ire Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 il be purchasing a C's shortshifter, supposed to be very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 No they sell some good stuff that fuchs do. If you consider the age of these cars and how many of them have toyota history ie virtually none of them chances are high that quite a lot of them are running non V160 oils in them. You don't hear about gearboxs going bang every week now do ya? Seen a few diffs give up lately though so its worth considering changing that. I don't know if you noticed but CJ, me and countless other people have had TROUBLE with their gearboxes when using something other than V160....so I cannot for the life of me work out your logic for wanting to use something else?? It's a 4k box and you want to scrimp on the oil?? Go with what Getrag recommend or have a lesser experience/reliability issues. I honestly can't see the logic in trying anything else. Getrag recommend "Esso ATF Dexron D21065" and obviously Toyota's equivient is V160 oil. If you can find the Esso oil then use that, BUT don't use anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted March 4, 2006 Author Share Posted March 4, 2006 I don't know if you noticed but CJ, me and countless other people have had TROUBLE with their gearboxes when using something other than V160....so I cannot for the life of me work out your logic for wanting to use something else?? It's a 4k box and you want to scrimp on the oil?? Go with what Getrag recommend or have a lesser experience/reliability issues. I honestly can't see the logic in trying anything else. Getrag recommend "Esso ATF Dexron D21065" and obviously Toyota's equivient is V160 oil. If you can find the Esso oil then use that, BUT don't use anything else. After what I have just experienced, I would have to agree with Alex. And at just £11(ish) per litre it is not exactly expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flat4_ire Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 one rule with high performance cars, never ever cut corners on servicing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 After what I have just experienced, I would have to agree with Alex. And at just £11(ish) per litre it is not exactly expensive. Can't believe how cheap it is nowadays!! It's great, there's no excuses!! Protect your Getrag!! V160 Oil - available from all Toyota Stockists!! (and that Steve Manley bloke ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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