Alex Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/4739670.stm 12 weeks? Words fail me. The justice system failed us all.....because of the politicians haven't created/kept the laws to allow the judges to do what's right) (EDITED AFTER SOOP DOGG'S POST) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffvalenti Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/4739670.stm 12 weeks? Words fail me. The justice system failed us all..... I just can't fcuking believe it 12 weeks! What are these judges on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I really don't understand. How was his sentence so low? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I'm not going to let this anger me. I'm not going to let this anger me. I'm not going to let this anger me. ....... ARRGHH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Prawn Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I really don't understand. How was his sentence so low? Because he admitted careless driving so it had no custodial sentence. It's a f***ing disgrace:soap: :soap: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 WTF? If he'd got insurance, and a clean record, and was a taxpayer, he'd be down for premeditated murder by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Words fail me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnK Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 That is sick. You'd get more for littering these days. It seems that punishment is inversely proportional to the seriousness of the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soop Dogg Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Unfortunately the question should be ''What are the politicians on?". The judges hands are tied if they can't prove 'Dangerous Driving'. Then it comes down to 'Careless Driving'. At the moment there is no specified offence of 'Death by Careless Driving' as there is in the case of Dangerous Driving. Careless Driving, (whether or not it involves a death) as stated in the BBC article doesn't attract a custodial sentence. A bill was tabled last October to make a new offence of Death by Careless, but until the politicians talk it over for a year or two this is what we're faced with. Crazy isn't it? This should have been sorted out years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Err... what happened to the causing death by dangerous driving charge? Surely because he admitted careless driving he can't be let off that? Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoboblio Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Is it any wonder the police sometimes have the attitude of "it's not even worth investigating" an incident, when after their efforts they see judges giving out sentences like this? Might as well have let the guy go. edit: Just seen Brian's post above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 Glad you've pointed that out Soop....I know the magistrate in my family has his hands tied by the law a lot of the time... It's the govt.s fault as per usual. But don't worry they'll make sure we all have ID cards and speeding fines before sorting this out!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkey Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 The justice system failed us all..... I don't think we've ever had a working system ! You get people who d/l child porn .. that get similar sentancing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Good point Brian. Must be infuriating to see all your hard work bagging a scumbag pissed down the drain by useless laws, fuckwit judges, and weaselly bastard lawyers -Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffvalenti Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 At the moment there is no specified offence of 'Death by Careless Driving' as there is in the case of Dangerous Driving Surely if you kill someone by careless driving, thats a bit dangerous, isn't it? Poxy laws make me sick. Now if he'd been speeding, they'd have locked him up and thrown away the key Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I'd just like to register my similar distaste at the outcome.... Hang him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Prawn Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 . Now if he'd been speeding, they'd have locked him up and thrown away the key Only if a camera had recorded it:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 You opened with something like "the politicians haven't created the laws for judges to use" Think you will find it's the numpty politicians and the do-gooders that have taken the laws away......... Firm deterrents is what is needed... Take a life in cold blood - ie murder - expect your life to be taken from you when caught. Life should mean exactly that LIFE... Prison should be just that - a cell four walls and bugger all else - don't want to do the time don't commit the crime. Kill a child through reckless driving, no licence insurance etc, in my mind is murder. Accepted accidents do happen, but in this case he knew he shouldn't have been behind that wheel. He may as well have shot the poor child. What would he have got for that? Also, I hate to bring this into the equation - but is there a political agenda coming in to play here - in light of recent events with certain ethnic groups, just a thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 added /kept - happy now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Bit of devil's advocate here (before anyone flames me, I believe that this guy is PROBABLY guilty of Causing Death By Dangerous Driving): Is there anything that says he was driving dangerously or, in fact, even carelessly at the time when he hit the girl? As far as I'm concerned, Driving Carelessly, Driving W/O Insurance, Not Stopping For An Accident should be heinous enough crimes to lock him up for a long time anyway, but I haven't seen anything in these reports that says that he was DEFINITELY guilty of causing death by dangerous driving? Presumably the mother was a witness, but she would presumably be biased. Were there any other witnesses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terribleturner Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 I can't belive it. But surely if he gets found guilt of theift, driving with no licencee, no insurance and the rest they could be tottalled up to a longer time away. Really does take the piss big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 But surely if he gets found guilt of theift, driving with no licencee, no insurance and the rest they could be tottalled up to a longer time away. Precisely. The death you can't be sure about, but if it was up to me, I'd lock him up for life for these crimes alone. Especially as he was on parole already! 12 weeks is ridiculous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angarak Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 No one's mentioned it yet, so the following will only anger you more. A man who stole a teddy bear from the shrine to the little girl @ the accident spot was jailed for 3 months!! So, its a lesser crime to kill a kid in a stolen car with no licence or insurance than it is to steal a teddy bear. Those of you with "David Banner" Syndrome may want to go put some baggy clothes on before its too late! (Im not saying the thief got a hard punishment - just highlighting he got more jail time than that tw*t Mohammed Hussain.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terribleturner Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 WTF???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelfill Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 No one's mentioned it yet, so the following will only anger you more. A man who stole a teddy bear from the shrine to the little girl @ the accident spot was jailed for 3 months!! So, its a lesser crime to kill a kid in a stolen car with no licence or insurance than it is to steal a teddy bear. Those of you with "David Banner" Syndrome may want to go put some baggy clothes on before its too late! (Im not saying the thief got a hard punishment - just highlighting he got more jail time than that tw*t Mohammed Hussain.) /me looks at emigrating somewhere where justice is served Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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