Guest chiefvinso Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Nope the whole idea of joining is that you take an oath. While you are being iniated you go through the tests and prove yourself. Obviously someone can spill the beans but traditionally they would rather die than tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 chiefvinso said: Nope the whole idea of joining is that you take an oath. While you are being iniated you go through the tests and prove yourself. Obviously someone can spill the beans but traditionally they would rather die than tell. are the secrets really good enough to die for?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Chiefgroover said: Funny how so many Reverends are members ! not really, there is a (valid, I think) saying that if Christ were alive now he wouldn't be a Christian. Same as the inventors of democracy would never see our Western regimes as 'democratic', not by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Christ wasn't a Christian anyway! He was a jew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 You too, Brutus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chiefvinso Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Charlotte said: are the secrets really good enough to die for?? Traditionally yes, but as pointed out earlier we are still human and therefore could still divulge. Masonry teaches you things that would happen and happened because of keeping quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Would Masonry be around 4,000 years later if it was corrupt? would it exist in nearly every country? would it have people from the road sweeper to the King as members? It is important that we remember that it was started as a benevolent fund. When a worker would get injured or die, the fraternity looked after the needs of the wife and family (hence masonic schools). When the welfare state appeared here, masonry became less effective. The First lodge was King Solomon's temple, the foundations of which are still in existence. The architect, a damm good one he was Mr Hirum Abif. These guys defined Masonry for all time. If you want to find a lot of accurate info try the Scottish rite Masonic Bible which is an excellent source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 ...and here was me thinking that this is The Architect http://www.max-boost.co.uk/stuff/architect_matrix.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefgroover Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Jake said: Christ wasn't a Christian anyway! He was a jew. Christian means "In the likeness of Christ", so He would hardly be following himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I didn't suggest he might follow himself It was JohnA that said "if Christ were alive now he wouldn't be a Christian" - go argue with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afreemason Posted February 14, 2006 Author Share Posted February 14, 2006 JohnA said: ...and here was me thinking that this is The Architect http://www.max-boost.co.uk/stuff/architect_matrix.jpg He's not a bad Architect ...... but apparently not a Great one ....... that's his cousin !!!! :p :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Chiefgroover said: Christian means "In the likeness of Christ", so He would hardly be following himself? The meaning is that what passes as 'christianity' now is not necessarily the same as what He preached 2000 years ago (or whatever) The idea is that there have been many layers of interpretation and re-writes through the centuries, conveniently adding or deleting bits so that the Good Books and scriptures appeal to the interests of the rulers at the time. As in the 'spirit' may well have changed (no pun intended) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 This might be interesting reading Born in Blood by John Robinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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