penguin Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Here's an interesting quote.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Lets face it...the media AGAIN have fucked up. But why riot at the Danish embassy? Is it possibly because if they don't react strongly and in an over the top manner the media machine will just keep churning out stuff that insults them? Lets face it, in this country the media have a complete lack of respect for anyone. I'm amazed and quite frankly impressed at the UK media's retraint at not republishing the cartoon...but I doubt it will be long before the media industry stirs up another hornets nest in the quest for money. As already said they're paving the way for more western invasions into Muslim lands. (Which is another waste of money/lives.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 ] i'm not assuming, if you "despise them all" then obv you'r not as "open minded" as you like yourself to believe.... Open minded enough to explore most of the the major and a few of the minor religions before making up my mind about them. You? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickTT Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 The problem with religion (all religion) is that it was invented by the powerful (rich) to control the weak and the stupid (poor). The basic teaching of all religion is: do what we say and good things will happen, disagree with us and bad things will happen (heaven and hell from a christian perspective, but they all have similar philosophies). Obviously for this to perpetuate itself all religions must be the only religion, so everyone is trying to destroy everyone elses beliefs to ensure the continuation of their own (and go to heaven). Its been going on for thousands of years and wont end any time soon. It just so happens that Islam is going through the same militant phase that Christianity went through a few hundred years ago with the crusades. Only when we advance enough to see through this rubbish and follow our own destiny will it end. Its about time that we all realised that these so called Gods do nothing for us: I remember being told by a religious man to thank god for my children, but when I asked him who the parents of children killed in the tsunami should thank, he had no answer. Religion is a sham and should be wiped from the face of the earth. PS. prove the existance of a God and i'll retract all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Open minded enough to explore most of the the major and a few of the minor religions before making up my mind about them. You? snap.. but i did it to give myself a better understanding of other peoples beliefs/customs and cultures.... and to help me "adapt" to them... not "dispise" them for it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I don't despise the people only their religions. Sadly, some people cannot be seperated from their faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I don't despise the people only their religions. Sadly, some people cannot be seperated from their faith. Often because their faith defines the type of person they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I don't despise the people only their religions. Sadly, some people cannot be seperated from their faith. ok, i'm honestly trying to understand your point..... but i do feel your overlooking the fact that its that same religion or faith which as pete has stated below, does create unique and well rounded individuals.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazboy Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Lets face it...the media AGAIN have fucked up. But why riot at the Danish embassy? Is it possibly because if they don't react strongly and in an over the top manner the media machine will just keep churning out stuff that insults them? Lets face it, in this country the media have a complete lack of respect for anyone. I'm amazed and quite frankly impressed at the UK media's retraint at not republishing the cartoon...but I doubt it will be long before the media industry stirs up another hornets nest in the quest for money. As already said they're paving the way for more western invasions into Muslim lands. (Which is another waste of money/lives.) How have the media fucked up? The whole thing started back in September when a small Danish paper was talking about freedom of speech, and that people were too frightened to produce images of Mohammed, even though they legaly could do so. It took over 4 months for this to reach the middle east, and they demanded an appology. The Danes said 'no way, it's not illegal here'. In support of the Danes and free speech, newspapers in Portugal, Spain, France, Germany, Norway and Sweden joined Denmark in reprinting the cartoons. The British press have said they want nothing to do with the cartoons. Islam bans intoxication so should we ban pubs incase it offends Muslims? The catholic church bans contraception and sex before marriage- should Channel Four have taken Sex and the City off the air after the pilot episode? iirc the Dane press haven't actually broken any Danish laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markie Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I think just do away with all religion.. Its the root of most wars and hatred these days.. Fed up with hearing about it on the news to be honest.. Just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 You're not getting me. If it's disrespectful it's disrespectful. The media are always pushing things...and in who's interest is it? I really couldn't careless if Muslims don't want images of Mohammed printed...as IMO he never existed anyway, so why do the media feel the need to bring all this heat and stir everything up when all it's going to do is upset people? For me it's not about freedom of speech it's about diplomacy. Why is the media intent on stiring up bad feelings all the time? Your post has grabbed the wrong end of the stick - I'm not defending the extremists, I think their idiots. But I was wondering if per chance the west would have taken any notice if the Muslims had just said "you know old bean that picture really grates on us and we'd really rather you didn't do that again, if you don't mind". No of course not...and is that then fair on those Muslims that the media are upsetting? And when I say Muslims I AM NOT INCLUDING THE EXTREMISTS!!! How have the media fucked up? The whole thing started back in September when a small Danish paper was talking about freedom of speech, and that people were too frightened to produce images of Mohammed, even though they legaly could do so. It took over 4 months for this to reach the middle east, and they demanded an appology. The Danes said 'no way, it's not illegal here'. In support of the Danes and free speech, newspapers in Portugal, Spain, France, Germany, Norway and Sweden joined Denmark in reprinting the cartoons. The British press have said they want nothing to do with the cartoons. Islam bans intoxication so should we ban pubs incase it offends Muslims? The catholic church bans contraception and sex before marriage- should Channel Four have taken Sex and the City off the air after the pilot episode? iirc the Dane press haven't actually broken any Danish laws. As you should know by now if you'd read my posts before - I think Religion is un-required in modern times. So yes if I had my way there would be no upset caused by images of a prophet, cause there would be no prophets, son's of god etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Original Quote by Alex you know old bean that picture really grates on us You said grate Huh huhuh Huh!! It may be a bit extreme of me but with the new laws that "our" goverment have put in place why could they just not lock these people up or deport them as those signs where the clearest disrespect to our country that i have seen in some time. Stop blagging off us if you dont like us and fook off to your perfect homeland! Ps Hope you get shot by some other idiot, lots of love England!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hob Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 PS. prove the existance of a God and i'll retract all this. http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/pg3/2004/0206/photo/hendrix_i.jpg awaits apology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Thats not Eric Cantona!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hob Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Thats not Eric Cantona!! well I suppose your god can fly, http://www.jimjagger.com/EricCantona/Media/Kick/Cantona_6.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 His studs and his flicks comfort me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Trojan Horse! 52:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Ok, as this is the last page! may I have the last word? We all seem to be pretty p'd off. Get this - them there Muslims are pissed 'oops' upset at the cartoon, how pissed - upset do they think we are at the geeza that strapped a bomb( albeit a fake) to his chest and paraded around at that there rally??? I ask you. Don't spose he's going to upset any one that was involved in the underground bombings then... I'm now a little enraged - sorry guys... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Ok, as this is the last page! may I have the last word? We all seem to be pretty p'd off. Get this - them there Muslims are pissed 'oops' upset at the cartoon, how pissed - upset do they think we are at the geeza that strapped a bomb( albeit a fake) to his chest and paraded around at that there rally??? I ask you. Don't spose he's going to upset any one that was involved in the underground bombings then... I'm now a little enraged - sorry guys... thats the reaction that fool wanted to provoke.... by using the same "free speech laws" as the media...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 There was an interesting debate about this on bbc2 tonight. As has been said, these cartoons were published 3 months ago and the matter was dealt with by danish law. However some people took it upon themselves to firstly take the cartoons to the middle east to show what was being published in Denmark, and secondly other European countries then promptly republished them. Both of these acts imo were deliberatly done to provoke unrest. Now we all know that the media thrives not on 'happy' stories but on stories that depict violence, disaster, hatred, conflict and unhappiness. Just look at any of the soaps, (if you can) when does anything happy happen to anyone. So the media further incites this reaction by transmitting these images and publicising them. Perhaps the world has got too small and 'freedom of speech' is not what we think it should mean. In an earlier article on the news was a brief reference to some protesters outside a theatre where 'Jerry Springer - the musical' or whatever it is called, was opening, hmmmm Jesus portrayed in a nappy, now did you see their placards. 'This is blasphemous' 'Ban this play' not 'Death to Jerry Springer' or 'Behead all actors' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Perhaps the world has got too small and 'freedom of speech' is not what we think it should mean. you have hit the nail on the head!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I'm sorry but you can't live in Europe and hold up signs saying "KILL EUROPEANS" you also have to accept that not everyone is the same religion. Also need to consider how it makes your religion appear as a whole by this kind of reaction. By "you" I mean the generic. Not anyone in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSteve Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 He's been locked back up for it. Was out on licence for selling coke. I feel sorry for the genuine folk who are getting a bad name for these wankers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I'm sorry but you can't live in Europe and hold up signs saying "KILL EUROPEANS" you also have to accept that not everyone is the same religion. Also need to consider how it makes your religion appear as a whole by this kind of reaction. By "you" I mean the generic. Not anyone in particular. Exactly. TBH i hadn't actually seen the full extent of the coverage because i have tried to avoid another religious outcry but watched the news last night and i was so annoyed. Couldn't believe those t*ats walking down the street with those placards saying 'death to europeans' and 'anyone who insults will die'. In LONDON and being watched by police and they did f*ck all. YOU ARE A EUROPEAN YOU DIVE. And if you aren't then why are you here??? I was also disturbed by the next news feature about jewish people being attacked by Muslim people outside a synagogue in London. So minority groups are attacking other minority groups? This needs some serious addressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 YOU ARE A EUROPEAN YOU DIVE. Are we talking about football now? Sorry had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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