UK Supra TT Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Hi all, I replaced my stock IC asit was getting pretty tired and got the new 2 row Front mount from Miami GT (thanks Paul!), I wanted to know what, if any difference it made to my power, so I had the car on the dyno just before xmas then fitted it this weekend and had it on the dyno again, I was really happy with the results have a look! http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b111/JohnShepley/DynowithParallelTurboSetup.jpg This is the before figures at 18PSI http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b111/JohnShepley/DYNO2.jpg And here are the after figures, the readout that says boost up is at 18PSI (As on the previous Dyno figures) and the other is at 17PSI As you can see it made a great difference and a lot more than I had hoped for! It's looks awsome too, even with my standard bumper, totaly transforms the look of the front I think. I will post a picture of the IC fitted once I get them from my mate that took them for me! I would highly recommend this FMIC from Paul at Miami GT, especially at the price considering it comes with all the bit's needed to fit on the car (polished hard pipes, samco joins, propper clamps, brackets, the lot!) The kit is designed for the Jap model I think and I had to move a few things, so I will add a fitting instruction for this IC soon. Thanks again Paul! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 30HP gain for getting the charge temps down...not bad at all! We need someone to win the lottery and test all these Intercoolers back to back. Good info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADD Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 excellent stuff mate i planning on getting one of these from paul soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Hi all, I replaced my stock IC asit was getting pretty tired and got the new 2 row Front mount from Miami GT (thanks Paul!), I wanted to know what, if any difference it made to my power, so I had the car on the dyno just before xmas then fitted it this weekend and had it on the dyno again, I was really happy with the results have a look! http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b111/JohnShepley/DynowithParallelTurboSetup.jpg This is the before figures at 18PSI http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b111/JohnShepley/DYNO2.jpg And here are the after figures, the readout that says boost up is at 18PSI (As on the previous Dyno figures) and the other is at 17PSI As you can see it made a great difference and a lot more than I had hoped for! It's looks awsome too, even with my standard bumper, totaly transforms the look of the front I think. I will post a picture of the IC fitted once I get them from my mate that took them for me! I would highly recommend this FMIC from Paul at Miami GT, especially at the price considering it comes with all the bit's needed to fit on the car (polished hard pipes, samco joins, propper clamps, brackets, the lot!) The kit is designed for the Jap model I think and I had to move a few things, so I will add a fitting instruction for this IC soon. Thanks again Paul! Well done. BTW welcome, strange first post! Most people introduce themseleves etc. Are you the guy that emailed Boostlogic last week?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psymon Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 So it is worth changing to a front mount then ? I ask cause I was always told on my other turbo cars its not worth doin unless your increasing boost by quite alot and its only worth it on big power cars..... Any comments on this guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsoop Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 The figures look good but can i confirm that the first power graph was done with the old smic fitted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Supra TT Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 Hi guys, Well, I'm not sure if it's my first post or not really, I think i'm getting confured with the yahoo group, I think quite a few people use both. I can confirm that the first run (First graph) was with the standard UK IC, I was really supprised how much difference it made, it's a huge cooler, but it looks like the flow through it is really good too the radiator which is pretty essential, my temp gauge reads the same as it did before so I'm raelly happy about that! I have a T70 turbo to go on soon so expect to see more dyno results shortly! I would deffinatly change to a front mount, it seems far more efficent, and this particular one from paul (Miami GT) seems really well made and far cheaper than anything else I could find and i'm 100% happy with it. Good point Terry, i'll introduce myself now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Before anyone gets too excited about FMIC's vs. SMIC's we should really test a brand new SMIC vs a brand new FMIC! Comparing an old SMIC with new FMIC warps the figures a lot! It's not therefore fair to turn this into an SMIC bashing thread. But it DOES highlight the fact that OLD SMIC'S just arn't upto the job period! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Supra TT Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 That's a good point Alex, however most of us with supra's have basicly old cars with tired SMIC's, so if your going to spend the money on a new one from toyota, it will probably cost more than this front mount. I would be interested in seeing how an aftermarket SMIC would compare. Purly because of the surface area though surly a front mount has to be the best option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 The problem being with front mounts is the loss of active spoiler and the need to declare to insurance! Hence why the test would be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Terry S Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Hi guys, Good point Terry, i'll introduce myself now! Ah it was you then that mailed Boost Logic, send me a pm if you need prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 That's a good point Alex, however most of us with supra's have basicly old cars with tired SMIC's, so if your going to spend the money on a new one from toyota, it will probably cost more than this front mount. I would be interested in seeing how an aftermarket SMIC would compare. Purly because of the surface area though surly a front mount has to be the best option? It [FMIC] "should be" if it's well designed. But the knock on effects are what are not helpful. These include reduced cool air to the radiator, which will highlight if your radiator is in poor condition soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 so you got 10% more torque at the same revs. Quick question: when you dynoed with the old SMIC were the front wheels turning at the same speed as the rear ones? If not, then it was flowing a lot less air through the core compared to what it was designed to. On the other hand, in the artificial dyno situation the FMIC would be benefiting from the rad fan. If the bonnet was also open, then you have yet another spanner in the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Do they not have fans cooling the engine / intercooler any way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supRo Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Is it the 2 row Greddy you got from Paul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Hi Jon Thanks for the input - glad that it has worked out so well - please bung me over a picture when you get the chance This is the Miami-GT FMIC on our site (rather than the greddy one) - will post link later (have a couple more in stock) Will be featuring a new Miami-GT SIDE mount I/C that am having produced very soon (replaces the stock I/C) - so will be looking for someone to do a before and after (as I am having an FMIC on mine) So will hopefully keep everyone happy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Jon, FMIC's and rad's rely on airflow whilst in motion, the fan behind the rad is there for helping the air at speed but mainly for when stationary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Supra TT Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 Yeah that's right, but cooling isn't usually too much of an issue at standstill anyway, it rarly gets hot enough in the country! In some ways i think something that shows you a fault with something, like putting on a front mount and finding your rad isn't working great is all part of the process anyway, all you can ever do is improve on your weekest link, and my charge temp used to be one of them, not anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambertpig Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 hi john glad you had good results with fmic my ebay hybrid has just arrived from japan it certainly looks pukka hope it performs as well as yours i also have hks induction kit which i now understand is the lowest of the low am hoping to replace with oem airbox if it fits with trunking. have you considered similar or does your hks suit the set up? Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pig Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Jon, FMIC's and rad's rely on airflow whilst in motion, the fan behind the rad is there for helping the air at speed but mainly for when stationary. I mean big fans that act like the car is moving. E.g. Fan blowing towards the front of the car! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wez_p Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 what were the charge temps before & after then? and do you notice any additional turbo lag with the larger FMIC compared with the SMIC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Supra TT Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 Hi lambertpig, year i'm getting rid of the HKS too, infact most of my HKS stuff, as far as i'm concerned there going down hill, the induction kits suck in more c@*p than air, the FCD messes up the whole fuel map of the car, the chrom plated plastic fins in the end of my HKS SSQV is flaking off and the body is starting to tarnish, and I've heard bad things about the spark plugs too! As for charge temp, I can't give you an accurate reading as the weather is too variable to alow a fair comparrison with the OEM IC however I'm getting two bosch charge temp sensors and putting one before and one after the FMIC, I'll post the results of typical charge temp reduction. As for lag I honestly didn't notice any difference, that doesn't mean there isn't any but I havn'e noticed any detremental effects at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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