roboldham Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4535132.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I think the fact that he stated that on release he would do far more serious crimes justifies the life sentence. Can you imagine the furore had the judge released him and he had then committed an arson attack that killed lots of people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboldham Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 thats a load of crap - the guy is clearly derranged - a good term on a proper psychiactric unit maybe - but life... sheesh. R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I think clearly this is an unusual case and not just setting fire to a bin that got him the time in jail, ie his defence lawyer stated that he was looking for the longest sentence possible because he can't intergrate with society. Just think its really sad that he can't get help instead of having to spend so much time in jail. I don't really see how that in itself will 'make him well again'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboldham Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 yeh, for sure - it's just another precious jail slot that wont be taken up by a rapist - who will probably be allowed to work in a womens ward on a hospital cleaning laundry as part of his social re-integration regime R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 How do you make someone with an illness like that well again - it's been proven that we can't make rapists well - whats the difference? he still has a serious illness and he's still a danger to society and himself - just what is the alternative? Sedation certainly isn't fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboldham Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 it's been proven that we can't make rapists well - whats the difference? a lot, and who's proven this BTW? R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 How do you make someone with an illness like that well again - it's been proven that we can't make rapists well - whats the difference? he still has a serious illness and he's still a danger to society and himself - just what is the alternative? Sedation certainly isn't fair. That's exactly what i was saying ie how do they think that putting someone in jail for a LONG time is going to some how make them ok at the end of the term because i presume he will get released at some point? Surely keeping him in a psychiatric hospital where he can be monitored, given medication, looked after properly would be more beneficial to him and society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 How many rapist that you see in or on the news are reofenders? - Quite a few. Is this guy a reoffender? Is the help not working? Do we know all the background and are we best qualified to judge? All I'm trying to say is - he has been deemed to be a danger to society and himself - the judge obviously felt to protect the likes of you and me and the rest of society his time would best be served behind bars. I would like to think there is something that could be done to help him, maybe he will get that help in prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 How many rapist that you see in or on the news are reofenders? - Quite a few. Is this guy a reoffender? Is the help not working? Do we know all the background and are we best qualified to judge? All I'm trying to say is - he has been deemed to be a danger to society and himself - the judge obviously felt to protect the likes of you and me and the rest of society his time would best be served behind bars. I would like to think there is something that could be done to help him, maybe he will get that help in prison. This is not a case of a rapist tho. Yes true i do not know the facts of the case just merely commenting on the story in the link that was posted. The judge said himself that he was going by the statement made by the defendent ie if you let me out i'll commit serious crimes. Of course i would be the first one to say something if he had been let out and then proceeded to murder someone or something but the fact of the matter is:- This guy is 18! I just feel sorry that the situation has got to the stage where he is being sent to prison for such a long time on the strength of what he said or so it seems, maybe someone knows more about it than me. I don't know how prison works, whether you get help in there or not, i thought you went to prison purely to serve time for a crime but someone will correct me if i'm wrong i'm sure. None of us are qualified to offer the true facts to this particular case (unless one of us was there of course) but i thought this was a forum where you could air your opinons about things that people post? People are so quick to start a row on here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboldham Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 i don't see a row?! Soz if it appears so. I just think this aspect of the judicial system is rather poor at dealing with cases like this - seems to be more about arse-covering than providing a service to society to me... R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 i don't see a row?! Soz if it appears so. I just think this aspect of the judicial system is rather poor at dealing with cases like this - seems to be more about arse-covering than providing a service to society to me... R That comment wasn't aimed at you! I was agreeing with what you were saying....i agree with what you say above too. On a recent visit to court for a course i'm doing it was all about that as apposed to actually dealing with the problems at hand. Seems crazy that this guy by his own omission is slightly derranged and then ends up with life. Doesn't make sense to me. Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Do you honestly believe this chap will spend his sentence in a "normal" prison? He wll be held at a secure prison for the mentally ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 yeh, for sure - it's just another precious jail slot that wont be taken up by a rapist - who will probably be allowed to work in a womens ward on a hospital cleaning laundry as part of his social re-integration regime R I will assume you wrote that whilst the adrenilin was flowing and you weren't thinking clearly. How often have you heard of a convicted rapist not getting a prison sentence? Try never! So to cite this case as a possible reason for a rapist not going to prison is preposterous. I would also ask how long you think this "life" sentence is going to be? The problem with using the term "life sentence" in such an emotive way is that everyoen then assumes he will be there until he dies. A life sentence can be eligable for parole in as little a time as 8 years so with the correct psychiatric treatment he could be out a lot sooner than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboldham Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 I will assume you wrote that whilst the adrenilin was flowing and you weren't thinking clearly. How often have you heard of a convicted rapist not getting a prison sentence? Try never! So to cite this case as a possible reason for a rapist not going to prison is preposterous. adrenalin? I wasn't citing any such thing, seems to be some crossed wires somewhere. convicted rapists get a lot of attention and money spent on them whilst "re-integrating" them - well documented, and they dont get life sentences. I doubt this fellow will receive such compasionate treatment, stick him with a needle every day, that'll sort him out - yeh. R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 yeh, for sure - it's just another precious jail slot that wont be taken up by a rapist - who will probably be allowed to work in a womens ward on a hospital cleaning laundry as part of his social re-integration regime R Well looking at the above, I read that as saying that this chap had now taken a cell that wont be taken up by a rapist. Clearly to be classified as a rapist you would need to be convicted of the crime so therefore the logic was flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roboldham Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 arguing on the internet is like... I'm off to find a skip to torch. R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 arguing on the internet is like... I'm off to find a skip to torch. R Who was arguing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolsius Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 In a right thinking world the guy would get help, and the rapist wouldnt need a cell, but a box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffSupra Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 More people should get time if u ask me! How many people here would like to see people in jail for life for scratching ur soop? I would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 "cat among the pigeons" Or he's very clever and just doesn't want to work at all. Warm and dry with free meals for life. No worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ark Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 I think you're all being very judgemental - the poor guy's homeless. We're getting down to -7 at night - it's really cold. He's bound to be hungry, no prospects, no hope for the future...getting himself locked up is actually a very sensible, logical thing to do - food, shelter, entertainment, training, re-habilitation...hell, if I had no hope, I can see that being a viable way forward in life!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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