Mcgoo Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I dont know much about suspension setups so i done a search on the forum and decided on the lance W set up to cure my massive inside edge tyre wear. My J-spec TT6 is lowered on tein springs and billstein yellows and has 235 35 19s on front and 265 30 19s on rear. On recomendation from a local mechanic i went to an audi main dealer in the area as their Machine was ment to be a good one. The results; Before adjustment / after adjustment rearaxle Camber left -2*21' / -1*54' right -2*31' / -1*53' Toe left +0*19' / +0*31' right +0*28' / +0*42' Total +0*47' / +1*13' Front axle Castor left +4*41' / +4*56' right +4*20' / +3*50' Camber left -1*57' / -1*43' right -1*55' / -2*42' Toe left -0*16' / -0*51' right -0*16' / +0*22' Total -0*31' / -0*30' As i said before Im no expert but my car now pulls to the left and the steering wheel is at the 11 o'clock position.!!!! This setup cost me 111.00 GBP They said that " A number of seized ball joints has restricted ability to adjust to customers requirements" Im obviously not very happy and have an appointment to "discuss" this on tuesday. Is there anyone who fully understands these figures that could give me some opinions so i at least sound like i know what im talking about???? Any comments welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 as far as i'm aware mate, it's totally not on that they've only partially set up your car for the Lance W alignment settings. if they couldn't have done it properly you should have been told about it before hand and advised on how to proceed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPRALOOPY Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 there is a set up for 19s as i have spoke chris wilson and he says that the supra is not designed for 19s and i should go for 17/18 inch wheels..as i don't like how my car handles, saying that though mine is not lowered and my tyres are not scrubbing on the edges.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I don't agree with the settings on the American site, and the settings Audi have achieved are hopeless as well. If you bin the 19's I'll set it up properly, but we are wasting each others time playing with 19's, they plain don't suit the Supra, and a satisfctory result (to me anyway) is impossible without total re engineering of the suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Mine was setup to those lance w settings on 18"s and when I went in to micheldever because the inside edge was rubbing off the fronts he told me that the camber was track settings which is why they wore out so quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I'm SO happy with stock settings and stock wheels (only £50 to verify on KwikFit's 4wheel laser adjustment) No need to re-engineer anything, Toyota engineering was good to begin with. Bilsteins replacing tired old units, and the thing flies... Boring, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Agreed, bin the 19's if you ever want good handling and low tyre wear. But hey, each to their own, its about the only size that actually looks bling on the Supra, but at the cost of handling.... maybe not then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprasport Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 still struggling to get mine set up, adjusted it myself to get it something like, need to drive it for a while to make sure its something like then think it will be a trip to see cw, trouble is its to long a journey if its way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucifer Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Just go and have a quick £20 done beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suprasport Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Just go and have a quick £20 done beforehand. cant find anyone who will do camber, even asked local garages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Most wont even touch it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supRo Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I tried lance settings and got uneven wear -back to stock - It's great!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 I still dont understand this, why does this or any car not handle well on larger wheels, surely its got to do with main suspension set up and shocks etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Because there is a lot more to consider when designing suspension. You have brake balance, tyre wall flex, weight distribution, suspension travel etc. Its a whole package of things So if you go and put different weight wheels on, that can influence it, and less tyre wall to absorb bumps etc its endless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 I still dont understand this, why does this or any car not handle well on larger wheels, surely its got to do with main suspension set up and shocks etc. Like Bobbeh says ..the set up was made for the unsprung weight of the stock wheel and flex of the tyre walls on the stock set up ...Change them factors with wheel sizes , weight and tyres ..then the stock set up is not at its optimum. It all works as a pakage ..so change one thing everything else has to be changed to cope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcgoo Posted December 11, 2005 Author Share Posted December 11, 2005 why are 19s so much worse than 18s ? Its only an inch. Is it purly weight and lack of tyre wall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 why are 19s so much worse than 18s ? Its only an inch. Is it purly weight and lack of tyre wall? Talking of weight: not only is the weight likely to be more, but it is distributed further away from the centre of the hub. The centrifugal forces increase by the SQUARE of that distance, so the effective unsprung weight goes up quite a bit more (at speed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 Ah well I have 19" rims and I aint sellin them to buy 18"s. I have only got an inch and a half ground clearance and would like a little more so where would I be best off getting the adjustable suspension setup with an inch or more lift on my aristo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcgoo Posted December 11, 2005 Author Share Posted December 11, 2005 Hows your tyre wear then dangerous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprachargedtt Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 This is interesting as im thinking of getting some 19" as my 18" wheels look to small... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminator Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 The thing to remember is the MKIV was originally designed around 16" rims Toyota then add 17" rims to the range. Putting 18" rims on is pushing itto the limit IMHO. I know with the stock setting set up my car handels a whole lot better on the 17" than on 18"'s. At the end of the summer when I go back to my 17" for wet and cold weather, the car is transformed, and I wonder why I bother with the 18". I cant imagine what the difference must be like on 19" rims. I know it is all down to personal taste, but if it looks you go for then expect a big compromise in handelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 Hows your tyre wear then dangerous? Its on an aristo and I only just got it so I'll have to let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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