CJ Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 I have just had this sent through via email. What are your views? Will we still be the Country of choice and still be Gt Britain if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in Britain because it is the Country of Choice?????? Think about it . . All I have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS? I celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings. It's not Christmas holiday, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday? We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that. This says it all! This is an editorial written by a British citizen, published in a National newspaper He did quite a job didn't he? Read on, please! IMMIGRANTS, NOT BRITS MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on the 7th of the 7th we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Brits. However, the disgust about the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct! " crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Britain, Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. (The Danes, Romans ect.) However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of the Brits being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Britons, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Indian, Urdu, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! "Land of Hope & Glory" is our motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If the 'Union Jack' flag offends you, or you don't like our QUEEN, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our Laws give every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so! But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our lifestyle our government, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great BRITISH freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 I agree with most of that. What takes the biscuit is the people in this country, that have lived in this country all their lives, hate the country and western life so much they want to destroy it. We do need to adopt to a certain amount of change with the world or we'll be left behind, but the degree and speed it is happening is frightening. We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. I'll never adopt a forced new way of thinking. It's still Merry fu*king Christmas and a Christmas holiday to everyone I meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Christmas, yay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerotop Dave Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Replying to all of it would take too long, so just a few choice titbits: We speak ENGLISH, not Indian, Urdu, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! There's a difference between living here and wanting to become part of the society. Many choose to live in a society that replicates their homeland - I have no issue with that. As long as they pay their taxes and abide by our laws then I have no issue with their being, say, an Indian society in a particular area of a city. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. I don't believe in God but consider myself English. I would much prefer to make the choice as to if I want to be religious or not - worshipping God was part of my primary school education (and it was a normal state school). I would quite happily remove God from English culture and let people choose. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change Cultural change is part of society's development. Our culture used to burn suspected witches at the stake, or to send children into coalmines, or to not allow women to vote. I'm glad we changed from that. and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. Well, I'm quite interested in how the Indians cook food, or how Italians make pizza. Or how the Japanese build cars maybe...? Is this person really so arrogant as to believe that they know best about everything and can learn nothing from anyone else? I think that's sufficient to show it's largely crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjansari Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 cough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjansari Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Replying to all of it would take too long, so just a few choice titbits: We speak ENGLISH, not Indian, Urdu, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! There's a difference between living here and wanting to become part of the society. Many choose to live in a society that replicates their homeland - I have no issue with that. As long as they pay their taxes and abide by our laws then I have no issue with their being, say, an Indian society in a particular area of a city. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. I don't believe in God but consider myself English. I would much prefer to make the choice as to if I want to be religious or not - worshipping God was part of my primary school education (and it was a normal state school). I would quite happily remove God from English culture and let people choose. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change Cultural change is part of society's development. Our culture used to burn suspected witches at the stake, or to send children into coalmines, or to not allow women to vote. I'm glad we changed from that. and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. Well, I'm quite interested in how the Indians cook food, or how Italians make pizza. Or how the Japanese build cars maybe...? Is this person really so arrogant as to believe that they know best about everything and can learn nothing from anyone else? I think that's sufficient to show it's largely crap. I agree with your comments totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Lots of thoughts on this one but...........No comment CJ :taped: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 It IS an extreme, and was probably written by somebody who can remember when people were proud to be British and faught WWII. A mentality still wholly felt within most rural parts of the country. It does highlight the main point which is although we are a multicultural society (which is accepted as progression) should the majority of this established society be asked to change their ways to make others feel more comfortable? (There have been many highlighted instance of this in the media and even on this board - wasn't it PO ferries who couldn't wear short sleaves?) I believe as I said before - there will always be resistance to change (that's human nature), but it's the speed that things are changing which people are finding difficult. Even the extreme examples given of suspected witches at the stake, or to send children into coalmines, or to not allow women to vote. took many many years to change. It's not about racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 It is this narrow mindedness and idiots who post messages and forward mails who should be stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 I don't understand that smiley. What does it mean? I used to misread it as "weird", but I think it means werd as in "right on brother"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 The latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 The latter. But why does the smiley look doped up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Because he's laid back or 'Cool'. Dont read too much into it Pete, its only a gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Original Quote by Paul Lots of thoughts on this one but...........No comment CJ Likewise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Prawn Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 I am English first and British second and these type of mails really annoy me. one of the few things that made this country so strong is our ability to accept all cultures, creeds and colours. If we didn't do this this the extremists wouldn't be able to go for a lager/vodka on a Friday night followed by a curry/kebab/pizza. We'd still be drinking mead and eating with our bare hands. We take on other phrases and words from other languages so that English can grow . I have never been asked to not say Merry Christmas but I am educated enough to know that if I do wish it to somebody who doesn't celebrate it then they may be a bit offended, but equally I would expect them to be equally informed that they wouldn't take too much offence. The Christmas thing is very interesting because it celebrates the birth of Christ not the day you get an new i-pod or x-box and yet how many of the paki, nigger, chinky, wog, etc, etc hating brigade go to church to celebrate it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 The Christmas thing is very interesting because it celebrates the birth of Christ not the day you get an new i-pod or x-box and yet how many of the paki, nigger, chinky, wog, etc, etc hating brigade go to church to celebrate it? Steady! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerotop Dave Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 It does highlight the main point which is although we are a multicultural society (which is accepted as progression) should the majority of this established society be asked to change their ways to make others feel more comfortable? (There have been many highlighted instance of this in the media and even on this board - wasn't it PO ferries who couldn't wear short sleaves?) No, I agree, they shouldn't. But equally I'm not sure they have? Your P&O Ferries example (and I accept it was just an example) couldn't really be called 'the majority of society'. Are there any examples of the majority of society having to change in this country to make others more comfortable? Racist activity would be one, but no one could never say that was a bad change. I believe as I said before - there will always be resistance to change (that's human nature), but it's the speed that things are changing which people are finding difficult. What speed? We've had people of different backgrounds living here for decades! To take an example, I grew up with people who probably were offended by my celebrating of Christmas, and yet only in the last couple of years have I started to see things about not celebrating it for fear of offending people. So that's over 30 years it's taken for 'change' to occur. (I have to say that personally I don't agree with it - I'm not offended by their celebration of their own religious days, so why should they be offended by mine? It's the use of the word 'offended' I always find a little odd - are people really offended by it or is it simply a day they don't celebrate or recognise? I'm not sure how people are 'offended' by it...?) I see it as evolution - we learn that our old ways were wrong and change them. That makes us a better society. Anyway, I can't help but feel the thing was posted by CJ just to provoke discussion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 I'm sure its a repost too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonball Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 I suspect that most of the 'there will be always be an England' brigade will not, as the case with the majority of immigrants Work hard in industries that we consider 'dirty'.... Making money for themselves and their families... Encourage high academic standards from their kids... Encourage community spirits and the upholding of their religious beliefs... BTW - did anyone see how the graduates from Poland come over here and work their arses off to build themselves a new life? Our so called 'British' society.... Bunch of lazy, good-for-nothing whingers who expect the state to pay for their fags, booze and SKY boxes...and then blame their lot on the hard working who have enough gumption and pride to get off their arses and make a life for themselves and their kids.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 So that's over 30 years it's taken for 'change' to occur. Exactly - that's bloody quick in the bigger picture. People don't adapt that fast. If you're 50/60+ years old you've witnessed a massive change in the world within your lifetime. The younger generation and city dwellers find it more acceptable due to exposure and experience. You're right - it is evolution.... although I'm still never going to accept Snizzleing me yozzel or whatever. ..and yes - I think Col is just trying to start WWIII for his own amusement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Bunch of lazy, good-for-nothing whingers who expect the state to pay for their fags, booze and SKY boxes...and then blame their lot on the hard working who have enough gumption and pride to get off their arses and make a life for themselves and their kids.... Yes. I've said that before too and got flamed for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerotop Dave Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 chinky Regretfully that is still the term I use when describing my local oriental takeaway outlet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 I find it interesting that it's usually 'western' do-gooders behind all these high-profile "discrimination" cases and the likes of "Xmas is offensive to non-christians" Do-gooders who buy villas using public money in the back of sorry excuses for human rights 'abuses' Do-gooders who become very rich by renting houses to illegal immigrants and claiming from the council coffers FOUR times what they repay at the bank for the mortgage. There's a *huge* industry based on skimming the taxpayer on the back of immigration, housing and legal 'assistance'. Despite what the politicians claim in public, the corruption runs deep, and starts at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Ever heard the New Model Army song - (I forget the title) "Everybodies on the make, that what makes this country great. All we wanted in the end, was world domination and a whole lotta money to spend, It's really not that much to ask, Just the same as everybody else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 I like the Leonard Cohen song "Everybody Knows" I first heard it as part of the strip routine in Atom Egoyan's "Exotica" So very true... Everybody knows that the dice are loaded Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed Everybody knows that the war is over Everybody knows the good guys lost Everybody knows the fight was fixed The poor stay poor, the rich get rich That's how it goes Everybody knows Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied Everybody got this broken feeling Like their father or their dog just died Everybody talking to their pockets Everybody wants a box of chocolates And a long stem rose Everybody knows Everybody knows that you love me baby Everybody knows that you really do Everybody knows that you've been faithful Ah give or take a night or two Everybody knows you've been discreet But there were so many people you just had to meet Without your clothes And everybody knows Everybody knows, everybody knows That's how it goes Everybody knows Everybody knows, everybody knows That's how it goes Everybody knows And everybody knows that it's now or never Everybody knows that it's me or you And everybody knows that you live forever Ah when you've done a line or two Everybody knows the deal is rotten Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton For your ribbons and bows And everybody knows And everybody knows that the Plague is coming Everybody knows that it's moving fast Everybody knows that the naked man and woman Are just a shining artifact of the past Everybody knows the scene is dead But there's gonna be a meter on your bed That will disclose What everybody knows And everybody knows that you're in trouble Everybody knows what you've been through From the bloody cross on top of Calvary To the beach of Malibu Everybody knows it's coming apart Take one last look at this Sacred Heart Before it blows And everybody knows Everybody knows, everybody knows That's how it goes Everybody knows Oh everybody knows, everybody knows That's how it goes Everybody knows Everybody knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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