Nick1980 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I thought Chinese eat dog. They do in Korea. Are you vegetarian or do you own a pair of leather shoes. The fact is we kill cows, so why can't they kill dogs ??? But don't get me worng I love dogs and wouldn't part with mine for the world Yeah, I can see that point of view. I'm not a vegetarian, so I was gonna say that we only kill animals for food, which I think can be justified, but I obviously do own leather shoes too (who doesn't?), so.... I do think it is a bit different killing for fur though, because it's invariably for rich westerners who don't give a flip about anyone else, and IMHO having fur (unlike shoes) is totally uneccessary. But like Kopite says, if you've gotta have fur, what's wrong with synthetic? Now we know how some animals are killed for their fur too, just makes it even worse in my eyes. Personally, I'd like to say I'm against all killing of defenceless animals (fox hunting, whale hunting etc), especially in the manner highlighted by pete in this thread, but I do quite happily eat meat and wear my leather shoes, so I guess I'm a hypocrite really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian R Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 That makes two of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I'm an animal lover! But, is this just not a case of cultural differences here ? Do you feel the same way about a cow ? I agree the WAY in which they are painfully killed should be changed but, otherwise, is it not the same way in which we used to treat chickens ? Do we not boil lobster alive ? Business in China seems to be progressing at a very fast pace but, with some big side effects too …….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I'm an animal lover! But, is this just not a case of cultural differences here ? Do you feel the same way about a cow ? I agree the WAY in which they are painfully killed should be changed but, otherwise, is it not the same way in which we used to treat chickens ? Do we not boil lobster alive ? Business in China seems to be progressing at a very fast pace but, with some big side effects too …….. Yep the way in which animals are killed in this country is barbaric as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1980 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Do we not boil lobster alive ? Yep, and I think that's abhorrent too, so I don't eat lobster for exactly that reason! Actually, I don't like sea food full stop, but the sentiment is still the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 IMO this is all about HOW they are being killed, not that they are being killed. Any animal treated like that is sickening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 IMO this is all about HOW they are being killed, not that they are being killed. Any animal treated like that is sickening. It's the abuse whilst they're alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 This is similar to a recent RSPCA campaign. Basically fishermen in Asia round up stray dogs and cats and use them as bait for shark fishing...these people need rounding up themselves and shooting... shocking isn't it, those poor sharks, have any of you tasted dog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 shocking isn't it, those poor sharks, have any of you tasted dog? You're a brave man posting that. Still...made me laugh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I'm a big lad lol Just saw your post about your vvti, glad you are a happier bunny now and kudos to CW me thinks (although he has a heavier pocket than you now, lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 shocking isn't it, those poor sharks, have any of you tasted dog? I think thats a fair comment. If you eat meat you should be prepared to eat 'any' meat. Luckily its all sort of meat replacements for me.... lol about the shark food though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 I think thats a fair comment. If you eat meat you should be prepared to eat 'any' meat. Luckily its all sort of meat replacements for me.... lol about the shark food though I tried alligtor in Florida. I'll try most things once. Snails are boring. Hmmm. new thread..."What's the worse thing you've eaten"...this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I'll be perfectly honest, I have shot and eaten most things, I would say that I am a very big animal fan but I am prepared to kill what I eat. I grew up in farmland and had no problem shooting rabbit and making pie (amonst other things). What I do not agree with is torture, but then I joined the marines and TBH the least of my worries was a cute kitten getting its fur pulled out with tweezers. Having seen 1st hand the deaths, torturing and humiliation of collegues, prisoners and the public I really find it hard to have sympathy for the things that I used to feel far stronger about. De ye lake daags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I had ostritch, alligator and kangaroo from tesco's (or safeways??) a few years ago, dunno if they still do it. Tastes like chicken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 I had ostritch, alligator and kangaroo from tesco's (or safeways??) a few years ago, dunno if they still do it. Tastes like chicken Post it on the What's the worse thing you've eaten thread dude. This ones for animal sympathy. LMAO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Man Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I am Chinese and I don't find those things mention disgusting. I don't agree with lots of thing in China and that is one of the main reason I choose to work and live in UK. It is all relative when you compare difference in the way people live. Those Chinese make a living out of the things they are doing. Their family have been doing that in the past and a lot of those are family trade. If that happens in UK then you have the rights to raise your concern but it is in CHINA not here. Choose the way you live as you like and don't buy stuff in China if you think you don't want to support that they are doing. Who are you to say those chinese are wrong? At least they make something out of the abused animals, I have seen idoits in UK killing pet in worst cases and just for fun , not for a living or money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I am Chinese and I don't find those things mention disgusting. I don't agree with lots of thing in China and that is one of the main reason I choose to work and live in UK. It is all relative when you compare difference in the way people live. Those Chinese make a living out of the things they are doing. Their family have been doing that in the past and a lot of those are family trade. If that happens in UK then you have the rights to raise your concern but it is in CHINA not here. Choose the way you live as you like and don't buy stuff in China if you think you don't want to support that they are doing. Who are you to say those chinese are wrong? At least they make something out of the abused animals, I have seen idoits in UK killing pet in worst cases and just for fun , not for a living or money. amen, different cultures, different ideals etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Who are you to say those chinese are wrong? At least they make something out of the abused animals, I have seen idoits in UK killing pet in worst cases and just for fun , not for a living or money. I'm human so i can say that the way they're treating them is wrong. As someone said, if they have to kill them then do it but do it humanely. Poking them with sticks etc and stuffing them in cages that are thrown off lorries is NOT humane! Nor is boiling or skinning things alive All IMO of course. Just think there's less painful ways that they can be killed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 At least they make something out of the abused animals, I have seen idoits in UK killing pet in worst cases and just for fun , not for a living or money. I can't believe you're defending this treatment. The case here is the blatent cruelty. Sure - gas 'em or something before hand. Something more humane please! in the UK - Yes but there's the RSPCA to bring people in this country to justice. Here it is against the law. It is NOT acceptable and I'm amazed you think it is no matter where it is in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 Oh...is that your dinner in your avatar China Man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Man Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I love animal and you can see my pets not my dinner in the avatar. I just cannot stand Westen or well educated people telling others what to do thats all. If you are born there and your mom and dad teach you to skin animal alive and at the age of 4 you start throwing animal around then you will not think twice before doing what you do for a living. There are many ways to skin a cat as some will say. I agree the animal suffer un-necessary but those people is doing what they were taught directly or in directly. How can you blame people if there are born into a way of living? If pete you decided to leave UK and join them in China and start to earn a living that way then I will say you are a cruel person. For them I think is just a way of life like it or not is up to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopite Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 So if someone was brought up being taught that murdering humans is ok, would you be sayin the same thing China? I know what you're saying about "westerners" telling people how to live etc, but what does your conscience tell you? you have your cats in your avatar, if they got hold of your pets, would you say "it's ok to skin them, you've been brought up that way." I was never taught that it's not ok to abuse animals, i kind of just feel it (like most others on here i think) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Man Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Just stay away that all I say. You can choose what YOU can do, if you care so much then do something about it. Be a preist and spread the words of god. Be a teacher and teach in China about standard of living. I am putting forward a reason why they are doing what they do, no one in this world is born with the mind to cause max harm to animals. People always bring extreme cases to compare and make a point and justifly their point of view but is that necessary? I don't think they should throw animal in cages and boiled alive, I am not a supporter of them at all. All I am saying is that I don't find that disugusting thats all and I understand why they may be doing those practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 29, 2005 Author Share Posted November 29, 2005 Yup - fair enough. (I know it's not your dinner - I just couldn't resist it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Man Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 hum, I had a big piece of steak for dinner and I haven't seen my cats about since I came back....... tasted nice and tender tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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