Poor kid

[Class One]

Of course you can! He's under 16. So, yes it is classed as rape. Plain & Simple.

 

Hmmm - so you pick up a girl at nightclub. You sleep with her - and in the morning she says she's late for school because she's got a GCSE maths exam?

 

What do you think the police are going to charge you with ? Statitory rape ?

 

 

 

Then it's not rape. Because he's over the age of consent. Simple enough.

Not quite, its unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor ie somone under 16 but over 14. Still a sex crime tho.

[toyotasuprauk]

So if an 18 year old female has sex with a 15 year old male, both parties fully consenting your saying its rape? Sorry but I disagree.

[Clarkey]

Not quite, its unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor ie somone under 16 but over 14. Still a sex crime tho.

 

So does that mean sex with a minor under 13 is classified as rape ?

 

Just done a google on British law - here's what came out:

 

Here's the link

http://www.avert.org/teensex.htm

 

It's a UK site.

General Definition of Statutory Rape

 

Generally, when someone of or over the age of consent has sex with someone below the age of consent, it is considered statutory rape.

In other words, if you are over the age of consent and you have sex with a girl who is under the age of consent, even though she willingly has sex with you, you are guilty of statutory rape.

[Terminator]

With out pictures if think this would be a completely different story. She looks like a hot looking blond that many males would enjoy spend time with alone. Hence all the debate. There are two ways to look at it, from the male if it moves screw it, she fits a fantasy point of view or the legal one. The former has already been covered adequately.

The fact is she has abused a position of trust. The age of the victim is largely irrelevant. Unfortunately paedophiles seek out these positions so that they can achieve their goals of achieving power over individuals. Most paedophiles are male but a small minority are female, females paedophiles who wish to achieve penetrative sex have a smaller group to pray on, as the male has to be physically mature enough to participate. So when one as hot as this one hits the news it is going to provoke discussion.

I have had to deal with the aftermath of male paedophiles, trying to help the young victims get back to some sort of normal life, some never can.

We will never know how this affected this lad, but he was not your average 14 year old, so probably emotional less advanced than average. This kids was in a special school, so was an easy target, I think see got off lightly. The media circus is all based on her looks, if she was cross eyed and 20stone I doubt we would have ever heard about it.

[Supragal]

She's not actually as hot as that picture makes out.

 

It would be interesting to know if the guy had been a virgin before?? The majority of kids these days have has sex by that age anyway, not right, but the way it is.

 

Also, just because it says he's special needs doesn't mean he's mentally impared, dyslexia is considered special needs in schools for example.

[raymanuk]

She is guilty of not following her responsibilities in her occupation. Thats about it IMHO.

 

A 14-year-old boy told investigators he had sex with Lafave three times in four days in June 2004, according to court documents. One of those times was in a car while his 15-year-old cousin drove them around, he told authorities.

 

To me it sounds like he wanted her and she fancied it and possibly took advantage of the situation and her position. Yes she is guilty!

It is going to be classed as rape since he is under age? Yes by law.

But to me it looks like he concented but by law it will not be looked at that way.

If she tied him up and shoved a butt plug up him and sucked him off while he was restrained and shouting no no then YES she definately raped him but I think in reality it was concensual sex.

 

Just my 2p's worth.

[raymanuk]

She's not actually as hot as that picture makes out.

 

It would be interesting to know if the guy had been a virgin before?? The majority of kids these days have has sex by that age anyway, not right, but the way it is.

 

Also, just because it says he's special needs doesn't mean he's mentally impared, dyslexia is considered special needs in schools for example.

[Charlotte]

'It's like those half-naked drunken slappers having casual sex in nightclubs and next morning claiming they were raped'

 

There was a study done on this recently i can't remember specifics but people were saying that if a women dresses seductively and flirts with a guy then is raped she deserves it...hmmmm this is all wrong.

[CJ]

'It's like those half-naked drunken slappers having casual sex in nightclubs and next morning claiming they were raped'

 

There was a study done on this recently i can't remember specifics but people were saying that if a women dresses seductively and flirts with a guy then is raped she deserves it...hmmmm this is all wrong.

I thought that statements such as the one John made went out ages ago along with all the other chauvanistic, neanderthal thinking.

[Clarkey]

I thought that statements such as the one John made went out ages ago along with all the other chauvanistic, neanderthal thinking.

 

Apparently not.

[JohnA]

That's your perogitive. But you're still wrong!

Opinions cannot be wrong or right. They are subjective interpretations.

I think it is arrogant (if not foolish) to decree that someone's opinion is right or wrong. You can simply agree or disagree with it.

Same as taste. Is someone "wrong" for not liking Marmite?

 

Only the supreme court's interpretation of law is taken as an 'absolute'.

Same as the Pope.

[Pig]

If this is thought about properly then there is no debate.

She is FIT and yes i would love to, if i think back to when i was 14 i would say yes i would love to (prob wasnt really ready but thought i was).

However it doesnt matter if i spent every day flirting or hitting on her or anything she should have carried on being a TEACHER and if it got too much to handle made a complaint.

 

When i was teaching a language school at 18 a girl randomly came up to me and kissed my on the lips (a peck) i told her off and reported it straight away. I had to cover my back. I was a teacher and it was not fair to take advantage of that and have sex wih her.

 

This teacher should have known better, if she truely liked the guy then they should have been friends till he finished school. Then she should have changed schools then they could have got together.

(this happened at my school)

 

As for the underage debate - i dont think its really in place for a 16 yr old guy /girl and a 15yr old hooking up. I think that would just be chucked out of court.

Obviously this stricks a what age is it wrong to sleep with someone under the age of consent debate, the answer to that is any age, the LAW is there. Just because a lot of people break that law doesnt mean its right.

[tbourner]

What the hell! Yes I would be saying the same if it was a 25 year old male and a 14 year old girl, if she wanted to have sex with her older teacher then I'd still say it's not the same a kiddie fiddler abducting toddlers!!! how can you lot class them in the same league!!!!

 

Yeah it's both rape (more or less before you start getting picky), yes she was in the wrong and shouldn't be allowed to work with children any more, but having a go because we're laughing about it!!!!!

Speeding is illegal, is that worthy of the same serious conversation as a murder case? Someone gets 2 years in prison for doing 85 down the M1, we'd all be saying "WTF"! Someone gets 6 months for murdering 12 people and we'd all be saying "Hang him!", some fit teacher shags an underage schoolboy and we'd all be saying "Good on him - lucky bugger!".

[Green Peace]

With out pictures if think this would be a completely different story. She looks like a hot looking blond that many males would enjoy spend time with alone. Hence all the debate. There are two ways to look at it, from the male if it moves screw it, she fits a fantasy point of view or the legal one. The former has already been covered adequately.

The fact is she has abused a position of trust. The age of the victim is largely irrelevant. Unfortunately paedophiles seek out these positions so that they can achieve their goals of achieving power over individuals. Most paedophiles are male but a small minority are female, females paedophiles who wish to achieve penetrative sex have a smaller group to pray on, as the male has to be physically mature enough to participate. So when one as hot as this one hits the news it is going to provoke discussion.

I have had to deal with the aftermath of male paedophiles, trying to help the young victims get back to some sort of normal life, some never can.

We will never know how this affected this lad, but he was not your average 14 year old, so probably emotional less advanced than average. This kids was in a special school, so was an easy target, I think see got off lightly. The media circus is all based on her looks, if she was cross eyed and 20stone I doubt we would have ever heard about it.

 

Totally agree!

 

..she got off likely...if it was I dunno eh a Tom Cruise or a Paul Walker lookalike that had sex with him then they would of banged em up for a number of years....the fact that its a women and she is very good looking should make no difference...in my view the seriousness of the crime is exactly the same!

 

Just shows how hopeless the U.S. justice system is...if it was here she would of done time!

 

On the other hand some of us had fantasies about some of the teachers at school...but it was a fantasy...the reality may have been too much to cope with at that age!

[CJ]

What the hell! Yes I would be saying the same if it was a 25 year old male and a 14 year old girl, if she wanted to have sex with her older teacher then I'd still say it's not the same a kiddie fiddler abducting toddlers!!! how can you lot class them in the same league!!!!

 

Yeah it's both rape (more or less before you start getting picky), yes she was in the wrong and shouldn't be allowed to work with children any more, but having a go because we're laughing about it!!!!!

Speeding is illegal, is that worthy of the same serious conversation as a murder case? Someone gets 2 years in prison for doing 85 down the M1, we'd all be saying "WTF"! Someone gets 6 months for murdering 12 people and we'd all be saying "Hang him!", some fit teacher shags an underage schoolboy and we'd all be saying "Good on him - lucky bugger!".

As I said earlier, I agree it is not "in the same league" as you put it but when, in your opinion, does it become "in the same league"? At what age do you consider this invisible cut off point to come into play? When do they stop being "kiddy fiddlers" and become accepted?

[Clarkey]

Opinions cannot be wrong or right. They are subjective interpretations.

 

I was talking about your initial quote:

 

I find this one really tilting a bit towards sexual harassment and less towards rape. The woman has problems and shouldn't be allowed to work with children, that's for sure.

But RAPE?

 

I think it is arrogant (if not foolish) to decree that someone's opinion is right or wrong. You can simply agree or disagree with it.

 

I was pointing out that your opinion is - factually a load of bollox!

 

Sexual harrassment is something that is done by unwelcome ... innuendo or by action - patting someone on the arse, or verbally, or acting in a inappropriate suggestive lewd manner without taking the sexual act further

 

Statutory Rape is someone over the age of consent having sexual relations with someone under the age of consent. Consent of both parties is irrelevant.

[garethr]

If nothing else, the posts in this thread show what a minefield the whole "paedophilia" thing is.

 

In some parts of the US the age of consent is 18. Does that mean that someone who has sex with a 16 year old in the UK is a paedophile?

 

In Denmark it's 15. If a Dane is sleeping with a 15 year old, does he become a paedophile as soon as he steps across the border into Norway where it's 16?

 

Does our attitude depend on the relative ages of the people involved? In some US states the age of consent varies according to the age of the older of the sexual partners.

 

In the UK, the rules are now different for someone in a position of authority. Does that mean that it's OK for a teacher to have sex with a 16 year old from a different school, but it's a crime with an 18 year old from the teacher's school?

 

Difficult, isn't it?

 

Unlike, for example, theft, it's not a crime where there can be an absolute definition. it depends on a whole load of other stuff, like culture and custom.

 

EDIT:

P.S. I thought "statutory rape" was a term in the US legal system. Don't think it exists in the UK.

[lust2luv]

I've always wondered about the legal position of a couple who are 15. If they have sex, no law is being broken(?). One turns 16 first, if they then have sex that is statutory rape and the older one is a paedophile?! You can't possibly claim there are no grey areas. Again, what if a guy sleeps with a girl he meets in a nightclub who looks 21, says she's 19, but it turns out she's 15? Does that make him a padeophile?

 

That's all irrelevant to this case, where obviously the female teacher was in the wrong, but it's a point worth making I feel.

 

[tbourner]

As I said earlier, I agree it is not "in the same league" as you put it but when, in your opinion, does it become "in the same league"? At what age do you consider this invisible cut off point to come into play? When do they stop being "kiddy fiddlers" and become accepted?

 

No I get that, and as has been mentioned there seem to be grey areas around the age. It's all determined by some law, and the law's an ass sometimes.

 

BUT, this all started with Class One flying off the handle at us for 'laughing' at the rape victim, I was just saying that it's not exactly the kind of case where we're all horrible people for laughing about it. Regardless of the age of those concerned it was a consenting sex case, involving a teacher and pupil, it happens, those people should never have been in the job in the first place - they abuse the position. Is it worthy of a 'joke' thread about how 'fit' she is? Absolutely.

[Clarkey]

I've always wondered about the legal position of a couple who are 15. If they have sex, no law is being broken(?).

They're both underage. So, I suppose - underage sex.

 

One turns 16 first, if they then have sex that is statutory rape and the older one is a paedophile?!

 

I would say technically speaking ... Yes. But in that example - probably nothing would happen. I guess .. if the girl really wanted to make trouble for the boy .. then she could report it to the police .. and then it would be considered Statutory rape.

 

You can't possibly claim there are no grey areas. Again, what if a guy sleeps with a girl he meets in a nightclub who looks 21, says she's 19, but it turns out she's 15? Does that make him a padeophile?

 

Perhaps not technically speaking a paedophile (someone who deliberately preys upon children) - but someone who could be charged with Statutory rape. And could be put on the sex offenders list.

[Jake]

Blimey, this turned into a bit of a monster thread!

 

 

 

 

this all started with Class One flying off the handle at us for 'laughing' at the rape victim, I was just saying that it's not exactly the kind of case where we're all horrible people for laughing about it.

Is it worthy of a 'joke' thread about how 'fit' she is? Absolutely.

Yep, I completely agree.

[JohnA]

Some people here may want to pretend that her looks are irrelevant. Wake up, clearly this cannot be true.

The Law is supposed to be blind to the way people look, yes.

But that's why we have judges and juries etc, to accurately interpret the Law so that it is applied according to local customs and what is accepted as 'common sense' at the time.

 

If she was an 80year, 24stone woman she would (most likely!) have to FORCE herself onto this young man.

Being a good-looking young woman the chemistry was quite different --- she had to apply restrain to *avoid* sexual contact.

The way I see it, rape is about forcing oneself onto another unwilling party.

Does anyone seriously suggest that the 'old woman' scenario is exactly the same as the 'young' one?

[Jake]

When I said

I wonder if they need anyone to guard her...

...I could be in Georgia in about 8 hours!

I was expecting somebody to say "Yeah but she's in Florida"

 

I was then going to reply with

"Yes but the end of the queue is in Georgia"

[CJ]

Some people here may want to pretend that her looks are irrelevant. Wake up, clearly this cannot be true.

The Law is supposed to be blind to the way people look, yes.

But that's why we have judges and juries etc, to accurately interpret the Law so that it is applied according to local customs and what is accepted as 'common sense' at the time.

 

If she was an 80year, 24stone woman she would (most likely!) have to FORCE herself onto this young man.

Being a good-looking young woman the chemistry was quite different --- she had to apply restrain to *avoid* sexual contact.

The way I see it, rape is about forcing oneself onto another unwilling party.

Does anyone seriously suggest that the 'old woman' scenario is exactly the same as the 'young' one?

If you took away the word rape and substituted it with the word(s) sexually abused what that make it any different?

[Faye]

BUT, this all started with Class One flying off the handle at us for 'laughing' at the rape victim, I was just saying that it's not exactly the kind of case where we're all horrible people for laughing about it..

 

I suspect Class Ones opinion is based very much on the types of things he's seen and had to deal with at work. I would imagine that having to deal with the grimer side of life does change your opinion on whats funny and whats not.