tbourner Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 This thread could cause some arguments!! There've been loads of threads in the last few months about new government schemes, mostly car related granted, but still what is the deal with it!! My mate at work is pissed off with me because I email him all the links that I find on here, and he said he's always in a mood having read them every morning!! What I don't understand is how the schemes get thought up and allowed in! Surely people in the government got where they are with the intention of making things better for the people? They can't have decided to go into politics purely because they can be selfish and arrogant with no worries about damaging their own lives - so at what point does their mentality change? I get the same impression from court of human rights, how come every single person I speak to is of the same (basic) view as me, yet every single member of the human rights thingy and/or the government (majority at least) thinks "Hey this is a good idea! Lets introduce it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Nail & Head. I get the same deal here, its truely shocking what gets passed and how some people are treated/mis-treated. Maybe its just a case that they in power are paid so much it doesnt matter how much things go up or are taxed as they can afford it, or perhaps they dont pay anything at all. Glad i got the soop now as i feel they way things are going in a few years i wont be able to afford to run it. Wont venture into the waters of people and rights as it will without doubt turn into a big assed rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest slapmatt Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 The problem with you tbourner is that you suffer from something known as "common sense". Luckily politicans, judges and un-elected European officials don't have "common sense", which is why decisions made by them can often seem to exhibit some kind of perverse logic and a lack of basic understanding between what is right and wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 ...for a lot of these decisions, I would have to say personally that I simply do not know enough about all the facts, figures and future to categorically say what IS and ISN'T the right decision, and I suspect the majority of people don't have that knowledge either. eg. yeah - the government might be making it ridiculously expensive to run a car, but isn't that better for the future of the environement? Personally, I don't know - there's plenty of arguments for and against, and I will happily admit that I couldn't say for sure what is best for the future of the inidividual, the country, the EU or the planet! In fact, could it not be argued that the increasing number of complaints about the government and decisions being made are actually a result of people feeling the affects of decisions made on them as individuals and not actually being in a position to understand or consider the long-term, global ramifications of the decisions being made. ie. selfishness?? . Personally, I admit that I do have more selfish tendencies than I would like (I blame it on growing through my formative years in the Thatcher era!) and I think the average UK citizen is becoming increasingly selfish and less socially-concious. To be honest, I'm kind of doing a "devils advocate" here, because to a large degree, I agree with what you are saying, and there's a lot of decisions made that seem completely ridiculous in the real world. Oh - and as a disclaimer, I actually have no interest in UK politics at all!!! Just my 2p - it's all IMO. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 No, I'd say it was purely down to ministerial personal interests and MONEY making. 99% of their decisions are about money making... and they cover them up by trying to sell the idea that it is good for the environment etc. Too many ministers who have an amount of decision making power have financial interests in various companies which they inevitably help out by passing certain laws,... or by increasing certain taxes here and there. And in turn they see their share values increase through the roof, and which you always see them selling a week before any company goes bust. Take Blunket with his shares that he didn't declare, or Prescot with all his property interests around the country. And Blair's wife who is a human right lawyer.... notice how easy it is to make a human rights claim these days and how much money these lawyers make (to the tax payers cost). I know the tories had a number of corrupt who were found out but this government have taken it to new heights over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted November 16, 2005 Author Share Posted November 16, 2005 Good point Snooze, but as Aji said I think they're covering up for a lot as well!! I believe mainly that because of the wealth this country has, they're getting greedy and trying to make Britain richer. This isn't necesarily a bad thing as a rich country is generally a good country to live in, but are they taking it too far? When it becomes impossible for a hard working couple both in full time employment earning at least minimum wage, are unable to afford to buy their own home and run more than the average car, something's wrong surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooze Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I have to agree with you in terms of corruption and personal financial interest. That is clearly something which has be shown and proven with the current government (you should see some of the financial involvement of some of the european parliament, by the way - some of it is beyond belief!). Especially as they seem to have, in some cases, gone at lengths to "hide" their financial interests - I guess the real point is whether their honesty (and therfore trustworthiness) is in question? And yes, while I would have to agree that it makes me extremely suspicious of those people in power, I don't think it's enough to condemn all the decisions they make that I don't agree with. Mostly because, as above, I don't believe I necessarily fully understand the issues, but also partly because I'm not sure I would trust myself in the same situation - I mean, I would like to think that I would make the "right" decisions in the same situation, but I don't think I'd be unwilling to try and improve the financial security of my family at the same time. I would like to think that I would be upfront and honest about anything I was doing, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon F Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 You think these lot are bad? Believe me, the last lot were 10 times worse (at least). 'You've never had it so good'. (H MacMillan -1870something) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 You think these lot are bad? Believe me, the last lot were 10 times worse (at least). 'You've never had it so good'. (H MacMillan -1870something) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 2 words corruption and incompetence. 52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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