SupraAyf Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Like most on here I've always been very 'proud to be British & Northern Irish' but I'm now left wondering if there is anything left of our national governance, resilience or international reputation? I switch on the telly every day and wonder if the country is just about to implode - or has it already imploded, I'm not sure. I was chatting with Mrs Ayf last night and we even debated a move abroad - to some place with a bit of sun. All positive thoughts are welcome as I just can't see 2023 or 4 being any better; probably much worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Useless I'm afraid, would Mr Starmer be any better though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraAyf Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Annabella said: Useless I'm afraid, would Mr Starmer be any better though. I look at politics these days in the same way as I look at the chocolate isle in Tesco, i.e it's too overwhelming with no particular choccie bar preference standing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraAyf Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 P.S. It's not much of a saving grace but at least the political elites in the US, France, Germany and a few other western countries are going down the tubes too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc92 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Annabella said: Useless I'm afraid, would Mr Starmer be any better though. Tories are just labour with the brakes on. Same end result, it'll just take slightly longer. They deserve to be wiped out in the election so they can have a good long think about what conservative values actually are (e.g. not having people arrested for swearing on twitter, or letting in 1 million migrants a year, or putting up illegal immigrants in posh hotels, or the petty authoritarianism we saw in 2020, or spending billions of pounds we don't have and ruining the economy, etc etc). They've become too comfortable with the ineptness of the opposition and think they can do whatever they please without putting in any real effort. With any luck a new party will rise from the ashes who actually represents what the people of our country want. Edited October 20, 2022 by mc92 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, mc92 said: Tories are just labour with the brakes on. Same end result, it'll just take slightly longer. They deserve to be wiped out in the election so they can have a good long think about what conservative values actually are (e.g. not having people arrested for swearing on twitter, or letting in 1 million migrants a year, or putting up illegal immigrants in posh hotels, or the petty authoritarianism we saw in 2020, or spending billions of pounds we don't have and ruining the economy, etc etc). They've become too comfortable with the ineptness of the opposition and think they can do whatever they please without putting in any real effort. With any luck a new party will rise from the ashes who actually represents what the people of our country want. Yes, that's what does need to happen, and have thought many times, but usually it'll be a far right or 'popularist' party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc92 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Annabella said: Yes, that's what does need to happen, and have thought many times, but usually it'll be a far right or 'popularist' party And is that actually a bad thing? Or do the current lot of elites and media moguls just not like it because it'll cut into their profit margins? If it's what the public want, it's what they should get. Politicians are supposed to represent us, not rule over us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, SupraAyf said: I look at politics these days in the same way as I look at the chocolate isle in Tesco, i.e it's too overwhelming with no particular choccie bar preference standing out. where the chocolate bars are Jostling to get in prime position, try to melt all the others bars around them, and have little respect for the shelf they find themselves on or thought for the supermarket worker who put them there? PS I don't like the chocolate analogy as I actually quite like chocolate and this risks tainting it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rider Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Its all part of the WEF global masterplan with the Soros funded politicians at the helm. Its a global phenomena I'm afraid so no place to hide, in or out of the sun. It was reported in Spring that there are at least 104 World Economic Forum (“WEF”) Young Global Leaders embedded in British institutions, charities, and companies. Liz Truss is recorded as yet another young global leader graduate of the WEF. Big business are our unappointed leaders operating behind their puppet politicians everywhere. It is a project thirty years in the making that is due to mature by 2030. Best buy a remote island somewhere, that worked for Richard Branson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbuddy Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 sweden, if i had a choice to move too. And if they'd take me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC93 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 We've been talking about it over the last 8ish months, the state of everything has just gone to pot. Unless something changes for the better probably be moving to Turkey or Qatar/Dubai in the next few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 40 minutes ago, mc92 said: And is that actually a bad thing? Or do the current lot of elites and media moguls just not like it because it'll cut into their profit margins? If it's what the public want, it's what they should get. Politicians are supposed to represent us, not rule over us. Makes you question who runs stuff really. Democracy used to pick parties/leaders/policies all fine but then really, security services, financial markets, the ultra rich have many of the wizard of Oz levers behind the scenes, or certainly influence on when and how they are pulled? Let's face it too, we like American are really only presented ever with a binary political choice and over the years their positions have moved closer. We rarely feel inspired to get behind them they either shoot themselves in the foot, are hounded by the press/media or are just hamstrung by the seeming futility or our (and global) finances/economics. I sometimes go down the rabbit hole into global/country finances and it all seems like a house of cards, on a spinning plate, with central banks with one hand on the stick busily spinning for dear life and with the other sprinkling magic balancing dust over everything......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC93 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 She's resigned! Let's see what puppet gets puts into office now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, AC93 said: We've been talking about it over the last 8ish months, the state of everything has just gone to pot. Unless something changes for the better probably be moving to Turkey or Qatar/Dubai in the next few years and this sort of thing should be a concern to them too, wealth and/or brain drain if things slide too much, adding pressure on the deficit (was going to put "/surplus" but it's been a while!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 2 hours ago, AC93 said: She's resigned! Let's see what puppet gets puts into office now Be Rishi, or Penny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Did I read BJ is putting his name in the mix The countries *****d and I'm looking for a ticket out of here too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Voting for who's in charge is like asking which hedgehog you want shoved up your arse. Any party will fuck you. The county is broke, Covid and non means tested hand outs have wiped out the money. The benefit state is out of control and needs to be sorted. Any party/coalition who gets in power has to be frank and say that. Taxes will rise and they have to. My fear is when I and other like me who've worked and paid taxes every single day of their working lives since they were 16 and cannot claim a benefit, will have no pension whatsoever. That isnt right 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Swampy442 said: The county is broke Many are? An interesting video, especially when you see it was made in 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Scooter said: Many are? An interesting video, especially when you see it was made in 2017 My pont was, whoever comes to power and makes grandiose plans to build 25 hospitals and buying the railways, it aint going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Yes potential/certain empty promises inbound! the 'Market' pulled us up on trying to reduce taxes and at the same time increase spending, so if they do start throwing around those sort of promises it'll have to come from somewhere else (Rob Peter to pay Paul), not just from more debt, they are more hamstrung than previously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raddys Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 209 countries on that list and we're bloody second, on the news they're talking about at this rate the UK will need a bail out from the IMF. its actually painful, we used to be a massive player on the world stage and own so much, these days all we own is debt. What does the uk actually offer the world these days, shitty vauxhalls and marmite! Ive got alot of family that emigrated to new zealand many years ago, might go join them lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 But who's top? Whos 3rd, 4th and 5th? 5 of the G8 nations. Im sure theres a way to massage any debt figures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 When your talking in trillions does it matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raddys Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Swampy442 said: But who's top? Whos 3rd, 4th and 5th? 5 of the G8 nations. Im sure theres a way to massage any debt figures Correct, however if you look at debt per person it's bad! Populations of top 5 on that list vs debt owed per person USA: 329 million = 72948 pp UK: 66 million = 131818 pp FRANCE: 67 million = 105074 pp GERMANY: 83 million = 76904 pp JAPAN: 125 million = 34880 pp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 How much of that personal debt is mortgages? And we all know Brits love to get the latest car on finance. Its all in the interpretation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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