The MkV

[Scooter]

Does anyone know of anyone who has/had a MkV?

Just wondering after presentation day and the last year or two of sales (I suspect it's not been a success at all, I remember reading about loads of cancelled orders and then Covid won't have helped?) if anyone has had one, even a friend of a friend etc? 

I've been browsing the reviews and the new 2.0L one etc and just thinking they all look like they might depreciate quite a lot quite quickly. Even contemplating a switch-a-roo in a year or three if the gap narrowed enough. 

Probably just lock down cabin fever craziness, but approaching 50 perhaps less keen to clamber around it, going to need a respray and general tidying so most of the gap difference could easily be spent on that. 

Be good to hear of any feedback at all.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[raddys]

I put a deposit on one as soon as 1st orders were released, I got a refund for my deposit as soon as I found out its a z4, toyota can bang on as much as they like saying it was a joint effort when in reality all they have done is put a new shell ontop of a z4 platform and strengthened a few components. 

Don't get me wrong I've nothing against bmw and they make some stonking good cars but for me the supra had to be made by toyota alone, like they have done with the yaris GR.

now I view the yaris GR as toyotas flagship, not the supra, which is abit sad really. 

There's a review coming out in which my supra TT Auto was against the new supra 2l and 3l version, it will be out next week some time and Il post a link once its live, they compared 0-60, braking, roll race etc so it will be interesting to see, but the stunt driver who was driving my car said "the new supra is good but there's not 27 years of progress between them" and I agree 100%, yes the new supras are faster then a stock supra mk4, but not by enough at all imo. 

After 1 year new supras with 2k on the clock are around 10k cheaper the purchase price at 42k where as yaris GR are 5k+ more then purchase price, I dont think I saw any mk5 supras up for much more then retail when released. 

But mk5 supras are quick, and with a tune they get some silly times, just not for me unfortunately

[Scooter]

Cheers for that. I get the whole BMW thing and do think it's a shame but I'm trying to be objective and all the BMW's with this drivetrain are good, it's seemingly a very good car just not 100% a Toyota. Look at the NSX in comparison though, they went top end in price and so didn't 'cop out' but then it's out of reach for most and won't sell many here as 'Honda'. 

The Mkiv became unloved very quickly, Toyota has no real allure here, may be the Yaris will change that but I just thinking if they slide a lot they might make a good used buy as the Mkiv was in the past for ages. 

Did you get to drive one? or just observe them/get the stunt guys feedback?  

Been looking at the LC500's too as they are perhaps more Toyota/Lexus pure and I think could suffer similar depreciation. 

I think it's my age but also the Mkiv's appreciation that's combined to at least get me thinking long term what I might prefer. When the Mkiv was no money it was an easy decision to just maintain it as it was untouchable value wise and there was no chance of a swap to anything remotely worth it.

[ManwithSupra]

I just don't get why they decided to use a BMW platform when they had a perfectly good platform with the Lexus LC500, Yes OK whack a BMW straight 6 in it if you want but the car would still be fundamentally Toyota (Lexus) I am all you have to do is look at it and its far more Supra (esk) than the new Zupra

The thing is the new Supra is a good car, especially in this day in age where any sports car without some sort of hybrid/battery combo is going to be rare. Should they have called it the Supra... no absolutely not.

All you have to do is look at the bloody LC500 and you can see a new Supra in that... even the interior has styling ripped right from the MK4

 

[raddys]

I didnt drive the mk5 tbh, just feedback from presenters/stunt drivers. This is the second back to back comparison where my cars used for filming been against a mk5 and the general consensus is that everyone (people who have no preference to either) thinks and feels that the mk4 drives better. Now obviously the mk5 will run rings round a stock mk4 in handling and straight line power but imo its how a car makes you feel that really matters. Some people will feel at home in a more modern supra with all the gadgets, some will feel better in a nostalgic old school supra with a cool dash and old school boosty/noisy 2jz. 

As manwithsupra said above an lc500 is a luxury very cool version which id have over the supra mk5 any day, failing that a lexus rcf is more affordable and pretty damn cool  

[Scooter]

Yeah just checking them all out and having a think about the long term. Decisions to be made on the MKIV re usage and potential refresh cost route vs almost 20 years of it/them and maybe just moving on and embracing change!  I probably should just crack on this spring summer with some small jobs and throw myself into it again, I did use the works warehouse over Christmas to clean and polish her up but for the first time I've covered her up and just left her standing there, think I just need to a nice drive to snap me out of it!

[blythmrk]

The mkv is a Great drive, I drove one at the test drive days at Thruxton when Toyota GB borrowed my car for display.

As Chris Harris on top gear said if it bothers you about it being a BMW don’t buy one!

They apparently drive much better than the z4’s too!

Edited February 16, 2021 by blythmrk (see edit history)

[Thorin]

"I've nothing against BMW"

"It's not a Toyota"

etc. etc. blah blah blah.

 

Manufacturers have been sharing parts/whole chassis etc. between makes for decades. Who the hell cares? It's got a Toyota badge on it, it's a bloody Toyota!

If money was no object, yeah I'd still have a MKIV. But would I personally pay current MKIV prices? Hell no, just not worth it to me personally, many other cars I'd rather try for that money, the new MKV included. 

[Scooter]

I've been watching a few videos and Toyota had a huge input into the car. I've even been thinking of the GT86, yes it's dog slow but after 20 years perhaps I should slow down a bit for a while and I haven't had any car that's been newer than 5 years in like forever! 

Thorin, you've been Supra less a long time now, have you had anything nice since? I feel the same way as you re current Mkiv prices they are no longer a performance bargain imo, they are a modern classic perhaps, either way they have ascended which in my head possibly makes other cars better value and/or, for me personally, potentially attainable. It's just an option that until recently wasn't there for me, playing the "what can I get for £8k" game a few years ago was a 30 second "er nothing", the "what can I get for £22K" game is more interesting and does have more temptations, especially with a bit of budget creep.  

 

[T2 MSW]

I put off driving one for over a year as I knew as soon as I did I would want one.

I eventually went out and test drove the new Z4 middle of last year. Its a horrible thing to drive, there's zero feedback through the wheel and through your bum of what's occurring underneath you. The chassis has flex in it to and its just not a great feeling to drive.

I then went to Toyota and took two A90s out which are completely different, loads of feeling through the steering (which is impressive for a electronic rack) and they are so on the nose. You get lots of feedback and its a mega piece of kit thats a great feeling to drive. Only negative is you do feel a bit like you are wearing a baseball cap

Since Nov ive had a gunmetal A90 in the garage and I love it, proper mega car.

[Thorin]

2 hours ago, Scooter said:

Thorin, you've been Supra less a long time now, have you had anything nice since?

Been driving an E92 M3 for the past couple of years and absolutely love it. Paid £14k for it with 36k miles, prices seem like they're on the up!

[Scooter]

cheers for the feedback both.

I have a 645 BMW and have warmed to BMW more, when before I was a self confessed reverse snob towards them. Good to hear someone has one and still likes it, the reviews really don't have much negative to say about it bar the obvious BMW underpinnings, they are a lot quicker than I thought too compared to the quoted power figures. 

 

 

[T2 MSW]

Yes its a BMW, feels BMW; but who cares. Its a mega piece of kit and there are so few of them on the road that it gets so much attention. 

[tayr]

On 2/17/2021 at 4:07 PM, Thorin said:

Been driving an E92 M3 for the past couple of years and absolutely love it. Paid £14k for it with 36k miles, prices seem like they're on the up!

14k for a 36k mile m3. Is it Cat D?

[Thorin]

1 hour ago, tayr said:

14k for a 36k mile m3. Is it Cat D?

Nope, but it was £2k cheaper than the next cheapest on autotrader at the time, so a bargain I couldn't pass up. Significantly older and cheaper than what they usually sell, they'd just got it on a trade in when I saw it.

It's done just over 50k now and I can't get enough of it. Revving out that V8 just never gets old, and it just grips and goes.

[AC93]

I quite liked the MKV when I drove one at Thruxton. I could tell it was putting out more than the stated 335hp, I just found it way over priced. When I put my depo down in the dealership they told me high 30's, low 40's.. when it was £52k!

The interior was a let down too, if they put their own interior it would appeal to me more ...but it's exactly the same as a 3 series diesel I had. Good car, drives well and a good engine, but not worthy of the 'Supra' badge, it's just not special enough!  

[nolizma]

LC500 in person looks the dogs bollocks. I can't wait for it to depreciate massively so I could afford one! 

Disappointed with the MKV being a BMW like most people. But I am sure it will be an absolute joy to drive. 

Based on Toyota's claims re the input in development, can you argue the Z4 is a bit toyota? If so the MKV becomes a tiny bit more attractive, right?

[Scooter]

I saw a review and the guy was with the Japanese designer/guy involved and a interpreter and yes they had a good deal of involvement, but not sure the Z4 has anything much to do with Toyota. They've definitely tweaked things and it's a competent car.  

I've been looking at used i8's recently and comparing them to a new'ish Mkv, my years of anti BMW'ness has gone so I'm just considering all the newer stuff for not much outlay on top of the possible sale of the Mkiv. It fills some time it nothing else!!  

[Mo Reviews]

On 2/15/2021 at 11:04 PM, Scooter said:

Does anyone know of anyone who has/had a MkV?

Just wondering after presentation day and the last year or two of sales (I suspect it's not been a success at all, I remember reading about loads of cancelled orders and then Covid won't have helped?) if anyone has had one, even a friend of a friend etc? 

I've been browsing the reviews and the new 2.0L one etc and just thinking they all look like they might depreciate quite a lot quite quickly. Even contemplating a switch-a-roo in a year or three if the gap narrowed enough. 

Probably just lock down cabin fever craziness, but approaching 50 perhaps less keen to clamber around it, going to need a respray and general tidying so most of the gap difference could easily be spent on that. 

Be good to hear of any feedback at all.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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