Underside bushes, oem sets?

[raddys]

Hi guys

After much thought im thinking about taking subframes down, sandblasting and repainted, all new bushes, new oem suspension and springs and refurbs calipers.

Also clean up the underside and recoat in underseal.

However I'm struggling at the 1st hurdle, bushes! Is there anywhere i can still get them from? I can find the odd one here and there but I want oem all round.

There's a multitude of aftermarket poly bush kits but I want to keep it oem.

Any help much appreciated. 

Many thanks, Grant 

[blythmrk]

I think the majority you have to buy new arms that come with bushes.

Not cheap but once it’s done your good for another 25 years

 

[mellonman]

As above they dont sell stock bushes

[raddys]

New arms sound mega expensive, is it only aftermarket kits available then?

[raddys]

Wheres the best place to get the arms kit?

Not sure if this price is about average?

Might be alot easier to do it this way tbh. sandblasting the old stuff and trying to source bushes and fit them and paint it all is a pita 

[blythmrk]

Paul @ TCB

[AC93]

Been thinking to do this for a while now.. but shocks and springs on top of that cost + fitting ...ouch! 

 

By spring I will have to do something tho, my rear camber/toe adjustment arms are seized

[raddys]

8 hours ago, blythmrk said:

Paul @ TCB

Oh yes I forgot about tcb, thanks

[raddys]

7 hours ago, AC93 said:

Been thinking to do this for a while now.. but shocks and springs on top of that cost + fitting ...ouch! 

 

By spring I will have to do something tho, my rear camber/toe adjustment arms are seized

I know, its mega money for something you don't really see i suppose.

I found eibach springs and oem bilstens for £750 all round so it would be about 4.5k job minimum i guess

[mwilkinson]

You'll probably want to replace the rear subframe bushes and diff mount bushes too whilst you are at it.

[Style]

Just a word of warning if you’re going for all new arms, nuts, bolts, rods etc. It can very quickly turn into a 5 figure job once you get going and start spilling over into the other areas while everything is off. But absolutely good money to spend on the car as it’ll last another 25+ years of done right and looked after 

[rider]

You should consider galvanizing your rear subframe rather than blasting and repainting as you cannot get to the inside half to blast and paint that. Oven stripping and galvanizing will get into every crevice and inside surface and it isn't that expensive. It was, from a fading memory, about £120 in 2017.

As for the arms, bolts, roll bars, links and bushes I doubt you'd be able to get together a full set these days through just the normal suppliers, that was a major task that had me scratching and scraping around a whole load of sources years ago. You probably want to get someone like Paul at TCB to see what he can still find and then try to fill in the blanks by posting here and on FB as many of us hold spare bushes or other parts because we are Supra hoarders. You will probably need to swap out your rear anti-roll bar if it has lots of miles on it. Or get new tube sections welded into the bar where it wears away behind the bushes. That or fit an aftermarket effort. It all depends on how stock or 'upgraded' you want to go.

When I did my underside I ended up well beyond the five figures £ mark in 2017 and Supra inflation has moved a ways since then. Its not going to be cheap whatever you look to do. I do still stand and admire my work when I have the car up on the ramp, so I gain at least 2 hours of satisfaction each year from my pristine new parts OEM suspension setup.

[raddys]

21 hours ago, rider said:

You should consider galvanizing your rear subframe rather than blasting and repainting as you cannot get to the inside half to blast and paint that. Oven stripping and galvanizing will get into every crevice and inside surface and it isn't that expensive. It was, from a fading memory, about £120 in 2017.

As for the arms, bolts, roll bars, links and bushes I doubt you'd be able to get together a full set these days through just the normal suppliers, that was a major task that had me scratching and scraping around a whole load of sources years ago. You probably want to get someone like Paul at TCB to see what he can still find and then try to fill in the blanks by posting here and on FB as many of us hold spare bushes or other parts because we are Supra hoarders. You will probably need to swap out your rear anti-roll bar if it has lots of miles on it. Or get new tube sections welded into the bar where it wears away behind the bushes. That or fit an aftermarket effort. It all depends on how stock or 'upgraded' you want to go.

When I did my underside I ended up well beyond the five figures £ mark in 2017 and Supra inflation has moved a ways since then. Its not going to be cheap whatever you look to do. I do still stand and admire my work when I have the car up on the ramp, so I gain at least 2 hours of satisfaction each year from my pristine new parts OEM suspension setup.

Ah ok yes galvanising sounds much better then, thanks.

Yes I didnt realise how hard it is to get parts for, I mean I knew it wasn't easy but so many parts are no where to be found.

As regards to the rear roll bar I had that replaced last year as it actually broke (I broke it on the carousel on the nurburgring)

Really! 5 figures, damn I had a figure of upto 5k tops, I figured 3k for parts, 1k for fitting and 1k for extras, but then looking at other things I've done i can see how it could get out of hand quite easily.

Hmm decisions decisions, 5 figures really is quite alot, all I wanted was fresh underside and new bushes all round lol

[raddys]

On 12/28/2020 at 9:16 AM, mwilkinson said:

You'll probably want to replace the rear subframe bushes and diff mount bushes too whilst you are at it.

Definitely, I'd want to do all the rubbers if I do go ahead with it

[raddys]

On 12/28/2020 at 9:44 AM, Style said:

Just a word of warning if you’re going for all new arms, nuts, bolts, rods etc. It can very quickly turn into a 5 figure job once you get going and start spilling over into the other areas while everything is off. But absolutely good money to spend on the car as it’ll last another 25+ years of done right and looked after 

Thanks, quite worrying as I'm abit ocd and if I start it it must be done perfectly

[bradleyh_15]

10 hours ago, raddys said:

Thanks, quite worrying as I'm abit ocd and if I start it it must be done perfectly

Believe me it’s very expensive but well worth while

[rider]

I started with a budget of £5k which included the cost of a fully refurbished frame off a low mileage car but that turned out to be a bit of a miss with lots of rust under the shiny powder coating and poly bushes that were softer than marshmallows and a couple of solid bushes thrown in. I thought I would probably recycle some bolts, nuts and washers because they cost a lot of £'s each. In the end, I recycled nothing bar a second hand anti-roll bar that I purchased because you couldn't buy a new one any longer but it did look like new. Once you start, you are unlikely to want to return that corroded bolt to save a few £. 

My £5k budget quickly became an unrealistic target that only an eternal optimist could have imagined. It's a good rule of thumb to think up a number and double it, then add a bit of Supra tax on top for your contingencies. There are at least two Supras running around now with a rear galvanized sub-frame so its a growing group. I painted my one black, the other owner left it unpainted for a bit of bling.

[Nathanj1142]

i've done my rear subframe last year, went with a galv dipped subframe. Cost about £120 as rider said. Bare in mind you need some decent taps to clear the zinc from in the threads, it also stops the sliding nuts that for the diff from moving. Hope this helps!

[raddys]

Cheers for the replys guys.

I'm pretty sure I'm going ahead with the project, a nice member on here by the name of erachter is helping me source all the bits (very helpful chap) and today I arranged with my mechanic to meet with his guy that does alot of bodywork and restorations on older cars (mainly rs fords and skylines i believe) they are called platinum paintwork.

We will all meet as soon as covid rules permit and go over the details.

Il be looking out for front and back subframes so I can get them galvanised and completed prior to doing the job. Il then give my mechanic a crate load of underside parts to build up the complete subframes with arms, suspension, etc 

Meanwhile the resto guys can deal with the removal of the old subframes, fuel lines, brake lines and the old underseal It had when it arrived in the uk in 2010, it will then be repainted in factory renaissance red before having the completely new subframes and other parts (fuel tank cover, lines etc) fitted.

A costly job as many have said but one thats worthwhile in the long run and I would think I'd see my investment returned if I came to sell as the car will be good for another 30 years.

Could any of you tell me what garages you used to do the work and a rough guide of what an average price would be to strip the underside of underseal and repaint it with the removal of everything underneath and the refitting of all the newly built subframes that my mechanic will build up?

Many thanks for the replys

Edited January 4, 2021 by raddys (see edit history)

[Mr Deano]

I used aqua blasting for my subframe,  came out like brand new