Frank Bullitt Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 They are still people at the end of the day and those fortunate enough to have common sense should seek to guide them, not lead them further astray. You say that but Trump supporters, just like Brexit supporters are treated with contempt and labelled with extreme terminology. They are deliberately dehumanised. From what i have heard, the problem is; he's not just listening, I wouldn't have a problem if he was just listening. However, if he is actively contributing to the decision making, I do not see what qualifies him to do so, as a History graduate. The government's scientific advisory committee was set up because we were to be led by the science, so why don't we just have the scientists contribute? Why is it so secretive to the extent that we, the public, have not been informed of the identity of the entire committee attendees, only getting information from attendees who voluntarily admit to being a part of the committee. This anonymity is highly unusual for these types of committees. Not sure what to make of it in all honesty, time will tell. There aren’t enough sources to cross reference at the moment, most “news” on this subject seems to be a rehashed version of the original story from a paper with a slanted bias. There was me trying to be nice about these liberal outlets and you go and post this! [video=youtube;-n4Ed9SD4Q0] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Really interesting reading, enjoy UV light could reduce hospital acquired infections - https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324284 Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time Forgot”? - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Reviews Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Really interesting reading, enjoy UV light could reduce hospital acquired infections - https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324284 Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time Forgot”? - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/ Cautiously optimistic news for Africa, Asia and South America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorling Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Really interesting reading, enjoy UV light could reduce hospital acquired infections - https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324284 Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time Forgot”? - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/ I used to own a biodecontamination business that decontaminated hospital wards using a mist of hydrogen peroxide and silver. It was highly effective against MRSA C Diff norovirus and the like, and would have dealt with this virus too. Our problem was that the ward had to be vacated by all patients and decanted into another ward for up to a day. Given the pressure on bed space that wouldn't be practical at the moment. UV light can also be effective and has the advantage of being capable of working while patients are in their beds. However our mist would cling to any surface, from floor to ceiling, under beds, in cupboards and everywhere in an enclosed space. The main disadvantage of UV is that it only decontaminates in line of sight, like a torch at night, so to be effective you have to keep moving the line of sight and it would never be sure to get to hidden areas where pathogens best like to accumulate, like on bed rails and under beds. So UV has a place in all of this but it has limitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 There was me trying to be nice about these liberal outlets and you go and post this! You started it with the Guardian post which still gives me the willies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 I used to own a biodecontamination business that decontaminated hospital wards using a mist of hydrogen peroxide and silver. It was highly effective against MRSA C Diff norovirus and the like, and would have dealt with this virus too. Our problem was that the ward had to be vacated by all patients and decanted into another ward for up to a day. Given the pressure on bed space that wouldn't be practical at the moment. UV light can also be effective and has the advantage of being capable of working while patients are in their beds. However our mist would cling to any surface, from floor to ceiling, under beds, in cupboards and everywhere in an enclosed space. The main disadvantage of UV is that it only decontaminates in line of sight, like a torch at night, so to be effective you have to keep moving the line of sight and it would never be sure to get to hidden areas where pathogens best like to accumulate, like on bed rails and under beds. So UV has a place in all of this but it has limitations. Is this what is classed as a deep clean? Same sort of thing done by the military? There is an unverified image floating around the net that shows a system set up similar to a dialysis machine with the blood running past/through a UV light. Might be an artists interpretation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 You started it with the Guardian post which still gives me the willies That’s good as I had heard you liked more than one at a time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 That’s good as I had heard you liked more than one at a time What Monty and i do at the weekend is for recreational purposes only. Oh, and.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Reviews Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorling Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 Is this what is classed as a deep clean? Same sort of thing done by the military? There is an unverified image floating around the net that shows a system set up similar to a dialysis machine with the blood running past/through a UV light. Might be an artists interpretation Typically hospital cleaning staff, inhouse or outsourced would do a deep clean taking maybe a day, scrubbing, lots of elbow grease, to make it free of obvious dirt, that would be the deep clean. We would then complete a bio-decontamination which killed any pathogens, which took maybe three hours. Then the ward would be re-populated. Military have a similar process, we never broke into that market, it was dominated by a competitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Reviews Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 There is an unverified image floating around the net that shows a system set up similar to a dialysis machine with the blood running past/through a UV light. Might be an artists interpretation How would the UV affect the healthy cells in the blood, if this were at all possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Not sure, all I can remember from my university days is that UV can heightens the body’s immune response, has anti infection effects and helps with oxygenation of tissues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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