Gambit Posted February 29, 2020 Author Share Posted February 29, 2020 Originally it was in 199 (silver) I still have the front and rear bumper in silver and the loop over rear wing. Plus all stock air box etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Originally it was in 199 (silver) I still have the front and rear bumper in silver and the loop over rear wing. Plus all stock air box etc. So it's fake red? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I only know of around 10-15 of them on this site. Be good to get a register going I’d say they are a lot rarer than uk spec cars (still in the UK) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 OK im keeping an eye on aero prices. The last one i saw sold was a converted na to tt. It went for 18k. If mine ever goes up for sale its going to be around that price. I would suggest that a GZ aero would command a premium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlton Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) I only know of around 10-15 of them on this site. Be good to get a register going I’d say they are a lot rarer than uk spec cars (still in the UK) Aerotop register in members section Edited February 29, 2020 by charlton (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Aerotop register in members section Yeah I know about that, I meant genuine GZ twin turbo aerotops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlton Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Yeah I know about that, I meant genuine GZ twin turbo aerotops Fair point as there’s even a USDM Spec in the list, could put a count at the beginning of the post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foibles Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 What about a was silver now red jdm gz aerotop register? I'll bet you are 1 of 1 on your street to have this spec... Truly unique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Reviews Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 What about a was silver now red jdm gz aerotop register? I'll bet you are 1 of 1 on your street to have this spec... Truly unique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 What about a was silver now red jdm gz aerotop register? I'll bet you are 1 of 1 on your street to have this spec... Truly unique Pr*ck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Calm yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 According to this site, there were 680 UK Supras produced. When I spoke to Toyota UK they confirmed to me that there were 624 sold in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Reviews Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 When I spoke to Toyota UK they confirmed to me that there were 624 sold in the UK. Possibly. It isn't a large discrepancy so the others may not have been strictly sold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Calm yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 When I spoke to Toyota UK they confirmed to me that there were 624 sold in the UK. Any idea how accurate your list in the members section is? 190 autos and 93 manuals is a pretty sad state of affairs if that is all that remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Reviews Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Any idea how accurate your list in the members section is? 190 autos and 93 manuals is a pretty sad state of affairs if that is all that remains. This is pretty much the point I've been making for the past few weeks, re: values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 This is pretty much the point I've been making for the past few weeks, re: values. You mean the valuation of cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Reviews Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) You mean the valuation of cars? Precisely that. When the abundance of a particularly valuable and desirable asset diminishes, for whatever reason, one would ordinarily expect this to cause the value of said asset to appreciate. This simply hasn't been the case in the UK market, when compared with the rest of the world. Cue the entire reason this thread exists! Edited March 1, 2020 by Mo Reviews Comparator added. (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Precisely that. When the abundance of a particularly valuable and desirable asset diminishes, for whatever reason, one would ordinarily expect this to cause the value of said asset to appreciate. This simply hasn't been the case in the UK market, when compared with the rest of the world. Cue the entire reason this thread exists! Each car should be valued independently and on it's own merits, just because "Supra" doesn't mean it's automatically worth ££££'s. If the UK market has stagnated then that would suggest prices have reached the current threshold of what people are willing to pay or what they find acceptable for a RHD car. It's down to market saturation, once more of the RHD Supra's disappear then you will see the prices start to climb again. The LHD Supra is the low production market, the RHD market only had some low production models like the GZ and UK spec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Reviews Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Each car should be valued independently and on it's own merits, just because "Supra" doesn't mean it's automatically worth ££££'s. If the UK market has stagnated then that would suggest prices have reached the current threshold of what people are willing to pay or what they find acceptable for a RHD car. It's down to market saturation, once more of the RHD Supra's disappear then you will see the prices start to climb again. The LHD Supra is the low production market, the RHD market only had some low production models like the GZ and UK spec. Of course, as you say, each car should ultimately be valued on its own merits but I would have expected to see the 'bottom line' follow the trend we see in other RHD markets, more specifically, the JDM, where most of the cars on our road originated from! I'd be interested to see a comparison of global production numbers of RHD vs LHD Supras and how many actually remain of each. From what I could find here, there were 32,276 RHD cars produced globally, compared with 12,836 LHD cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman1979 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I also have GZ aerotop TT also if anybody is putting together a list of numbers. How much is OP wanting out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Of course, as you say, each car should ultimately be valued on its own merits but I would have expected to see the 'bottom line' follow the trend we see in other RHD markets, more specifically, the JDM, where most of the cars on our road originated from! Classic supply and demand. Japan is the only source of clean JDM Supra's. The RHD market will go there for mint examples and now the LHD market can pick up comparatively cheap Supra's that have hit their 25 year legal import that would be why the prices are like they are today in Japan. Supply is drying up fast. We are pretty much inline with Australia so I would say things are pretty good as they stand. I'd be interested to see a comparison of global production numbers of RHD vs LHD Supras and how many actually remain of each. From what I could find here, there were 32,276 RHD cars produced globally, compared with 12,836 LHD cars. That site is okay, I have used it a few times now when needing rough info but it's a little dated and doesn't look like it has changed in a while. I think the best source for production numbers is probably Anthony's website, although his practices for gaining frame numbers has been called into question a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Reviews Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) Classic supply and demand. Japan is the only source of clean JDM Supra's. The RHD market will go there for mint examples and now the LHD market can pick up comparatively cheap Supra's that have hit their 25 year legal import that would be why the prices are like they are today in Japan. Supply is drying up fast. We are pretty much inline with Australia so I would say things are pretty good as they stand. Admittedly, I'm not in tune with the Australian market, but after a quick search on the Australian Autotrader, it would appear that we are lagging behind them too... That site is okay, I have used it a few times now when needing rough info but it's a little dated and doesn't look like it has changed in a while. I think the best source for production numbers is probably Anthony's website, although his practices for gaining frame numbers has been called into question a few times. I don't see production numbers changing, at least not post-2002. A global register sounds rather unfeasible. A centralised register of frame numbers sounds like a catastrophe in the making! Edited March 1, 2020 by Mo Reviews Clarification (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) Admittedly, I'm not in tune with the Australian market, but after a quick search on the Australian Autotrader, it would appear that we are lagging behind them too... 32K for VVT-i 6 speed - https://www.autotrader.com.au/car/10310845/toyota/supra/nsw/blacktown/hatchback 25K for a pre-facelift 6 speed - https://www.autotrader.com.au/car/10957238/toyota/supra/nsw/lansvale/hatchback 24K for a facelift VVT-i tiptronic - https://www.autotrader.com.au/car/11002916/toyota/supra/qld/slacks-creek/liftback 15.5k for an SZ-R - https://www.autotrader.com.au/car/10420825/toyota/supra/qld/slacks-creek/coupe Seems to roughly fit with riders thread. NA Auto £12k NA Manual £14k Aero NA £20k TT Auto £23k TT6 £35k On the two top adverts i'd say like most of the adverts we get on the UK Autotrader and eBay UK they are chancers (due to condition and mileage) but it's gives a rough idea but also harkens back to "because Supra" ££££'s. I don't see production numbers changing, at least not since 2002. A global register sounds rather unfeasible. A centralised register of frame numbers sounds like a catastrophe in the making! Not the production numbers as such, there was a lot of misinformation circling the net in the early years and I have no idea how accurate that site is or where he got his info but it does give an insight. I don't think you are alone in feeling that about his site but it's the best there is at the moment and probably a nice little money earner too! Edited March 1, 2020 by Frank Bullitt Links added. (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Reviews Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 32K for VVT-i 6 speed - https://www.autotrader.com.au/car/10310845/toyota/supra/nsw/blacktown/hatchback 25K for a pre-facelift 6 speed - https://www.autotrader.com.au/car/10957238/toyota/supra/nsw/lansvale/hatchback 24K for a facelift VVT-i tiptronic - https://www.autotrader.com.au/car/11002916/toyota/supra/qld/slacks-creek/liftback 15.5k for an SZ-R - https://www.autotrader.com.au/car/10420825/toyota/supra/qld/slacks-creek/coupe Seems to roughly fit with riders thread. On the two top adverts i'd say like most of the adverts we get on the UK Autotrader and eBay UK they are chancers (due to condition and mileage) but it's gives a rough idea but also harkens back to "because Supra" ££££'s. Have you seen the state some of those cars are in? Even then, they still appear advertised at thousands of pounds more than our cars... If those cars were advertised here, I would expect them to be sold out of somewhere in high wycombe... Not the production numbers as such, there was a lot of misinformation circling the net in the early years and I have no idea how accurate that site is or where he got his info but it does give an insight. I don't think you are alone in feeling that about his site but it's the best there is at the moment and probably a nice little money earner too! If I approached Toyota's headquarters, they'd probably tell me to get lost. However, if the club approached Toyota, that may yield a more engaging response? As these cars become fully fledged classics, this sort of information will become paramount to future insurance claims and insurance valuations. Edited March 1, 2020 by Mo Reviews Spelling. (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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