Looking for advice

[erachter]

No buddy. The opposite. I have 600 and didnt do pistons. The expensive part got NAt at 600 is resolving a transmission strong enough! Then the intake isnt man enough.

 

There are plenty of other road blocks for an NA to go for power. Always start with a GTE.

 

I didnt because I had most of the bits anyway.

 

Trust me what a ball ache lol..

 

Anyone owning an NA wanting 600hp and they currently have no turbo needs to save for a TT6 or a single turbo already done.

 

 

 

Thats true, you would need a transmission on the gte anyways if you are shooting for big power.

[Swampy442]

Toyota/Lexus Aristo is a saloon car with the VVTi 2JZ-GTE engine.

 

A Lexus Aristo doesn't exist

 

Why dont you just get a Supra engine to cut the hassle (and overall cost) down

[erachter]

A Lexus Aristo doesn't exist

 

Why dont you just get a Supra engine to cut the hassle (and overall cost) down

 

I was in the search for Supra engines and was asking some suppliers about them. They are very hard to find and generally 70% more expensive.

 

 

On a side note, could somebidy recommend any shops that would be able to/have history of doing these kind of swaps?

[Mo Reviews]

A Lexus Aristo doesn't exist

 

True, but it is just a rebadged Lexus GS after all...

[Noz]

I was in the search for Supra engines and was asking some suppliers about them. They are very hard to find and generally 70% more expensive.

 

 

On a side note, could somebidy recommend any shops that would be able to/have history of doing these kind of swaps?

 

For a straight swap. I think Keron is probably the most popular. Extreme Performance.

 

Many other on here capable. Whifbitz. SRD. Even a local trustworthy garage. With some research on your side.

[nolizma]

Some interesting points..

I am, sort of, in the same boat as OP.

I am planning to go na-t. my plan is to keep my w58 to start with but I will do fuel, ffim, spark upgrades, stand alone ECU from the get go. When the gearbox breaks I will look at my options. Was thinking m3 or 350z to be 6 speed but not sure how it will match the diff. Not done a lot of research on that yet. And then hopefully will be just a matter of re-mapping/upping the boost. That's my thinking anyways.

My main reasoning for this is that I know my engine is healthy and since the car really is a weekend toy I would like to have this sense of occasion/theater when driving it.

The spec I have in mind at the moment is stock engine, gte gasket, apr bolts, tubular manifold (not sure which one yet), front facing intake manifold I have already (off a member on here but not sure on brand), q45 throttle body, front mount intercooler, fuel pump, injectors, I have a link G2+ but not sure if I will use that / depends on mapper, turbosmart 45mm wastegate, BWS360 turbo (not 100% on that yet). All fitted by a reputable garage / not me lol.

 

What I want to achieve really is a fast spooling supra that makes all the right noises. To be honest I never had anything this fast so this is another reason why I want to keep the w58. A bit of a learning curve. Well.. cost also.

[Noz]

S360 is too big if you want fast spool. Spool means torque. I highly think you should not push for too much hard low end power until you change the transmission.

 

The FFIM is nice. I have one. But theres not really a huge amount of benefit until you go above 500hp. It's a super big pain in the balls too. Just be aware of that.

 

The Q45 is a good choice.

 

I know you bought the FFIM. But it isnt really needed. If you open the pathway for air you may end up sacrificing spool by having a larger volume to fill before it reaches the combustion area. Larger volume will inevitably mean lag.

 

I would choose 58mm as a max size if spool is what you want.

 

You can achieve better spool with head mods but I dont think that's your route.

 

You will loose spool ability with lowering compression. For a fast spool hard hitting sub 58mm turbo you could achieve 400hp with a hard small turbo, keeping your compression.

 

I have an #ocdworks turbo with a dual ball bearing setup. For fast spool. I see 1.5bar at 4k. I wouldnt call that fast spoiling. And no tune will resolve that. 62mm turbo. 6251R.

 

I would downsize the turbo. Park the FFIM. And consider changing the gearbox first.

 

A divided manifold sub 58mm turbo could see full boost at 3k with a stock compression setup. Purely my opinion though.

 

I had stock compression and saw 10psi boost on my old T61 at 3.8k rpm.

 

Just my opinion based on my own experiences of course though.

Edited February 26, 2020 by Noz (see edit history)

[Mo Reviews]

I will have my Q45 TB for sale next month as I will be going DBW. Send me a PM if you're interested.

[nolizma]

S360 is too big if you want fast spool. Spool means torque. I highly think you should not push for too much hard low end power until you change the transmission.

 

The FFIM is nice. I have one. But theres not really a huge amount of benefit until you go above 500hp. It's a super big pain in the balls too. Just be aware of that.

 

The Q45 is a good choice.

 

I know you bought the FFIM. But it isnt really needed. If you open the pathway for air you may end up sacrificing spool by having a larger volume to fill before it reaches the combustion area. Larger volume will inevitably mean lag.

 

I would choose 58mm as a max size if spool is what you want.

 

You can achieve better spool with head mods but I dont think that's your route.

 

You will loose spool ability with lowering compression. For a fast spool hard hitting sub 58mm turbo you could achieve 400hp with a hard small turbo, keeping your compression.

 

I have an #ocdworks turbo with a dual ball bearing setup. For fast spool. I see 1.5bar at 4k. I wouldnt call that fast spoiling. And no tune will resolve that. 62mm turbo. 6251R.

 

I would downsize the turbo. Park the FFIM. And consider changing the gearbox first.

 

A divided manifold sub 58mm turbo could see full boost at 3k with a stock compression setup. Purely my opinion though.

 

I had stock compression and saw 10psi boost on my old T61 at 3.8k rpm.

 

Just my opinion based on my own experiences of course though.

 

I appreciate the input noz as you are balls deep in the na-t game. What turbo would you recommend?

Also, if I remember correctly you have a XS manifold. Which one? They have multiple listed on their website. And would you recommend it?

Did you have issues clearing the dizzi?

What ECU are you running?

And why would you kill for a vvti lump? (as stated above)

[Noz]

I will have my Q45 TB for sale next month as I will be going DBW. Send me a PM if you're interested.

 

Already have DBW on mine fella. You'll love the throttle control. I went from crappy aftermarket ones, I just wish I had more ECU inputs so I could utilise cruise control ability.

 

I appreciate the input noz as you are balls deep in the na-t game. What turbo would you recommend?

Also, if I remember correctly you have a XS manifold. Which one? They have multiple listed on their website. And would you recommend it?

Did you have issues clearing the dizzi?

What ECU are you running?

And why would you kill for a vvti lump? (as stated above)

 

Hey more than welcome mate. I try and give advice if I've some experience on something but of course sometimes it's only an opinion, which I also too try and state

 

I do have an XSpower manifold. Holy crap! I've just seen their website. They've really come a long way in product offering!! They even offer FMIC kits. Man wish they offered those back in the day.

 

Ok so I have the thin wall section manifold. http://xs-power.com/toyota-turbo-manifolds-17.htm

 

You can tell they are thin due to the ability to bend the tubing rather than having to weld it. Heavy wall section tube requires hydraulic benders rather than by hand. The wall section perhaps is also not suited to the aggressive bends. I know when I used to bend heavy gauge tubing, it would visually change on the outer surface, as it deforms and almost stretches (I used to machine manifolds and instrumentation systems for oil & gas industry). Maybe in high temperature applications they crack on the bends.

 

Anyway. The thicker wall section is less likely to crack, I'd go with this one if you can. The thing is they always locate the waste gate outlet under the engine. That's a pain in the bum. I cut mine and rotated it. You could do the same, or email them and ask if they would do it for you during manufacture. It would be better done during the manifolds creation. The fact they only sell divided is a nice touch. If it cracks, you can always weld and fix it remember. I'd always personally use a dremel and a white stone burr to clean any internal passages of weld marks to almost port the manifold best I could.

 

You'll need a 4runner dizzy cap to clear the distributor. I've now removed it and run coils.

 

Syvecs S6.

 

Vvti gives better spool. I've seen countless dyno comparisons and I'm sold on it. Luxluc has the best comparison on here that shows it's true potential.

 

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?355710-SRD1XXX-VVTi-vs-non-VVTi-comparison

 

 

Turbo choice is difficult as so many people have views but not many people change their turbo to have experience. I love the sound of my Ocdworks T51r modded 62mm, the 6251R, but I would love to drive a GT30## fitted Supra for sure. They do a 58mm version the 5851R, I can imagine it would be so much more fun. I nearly went for it, it's rated 500whp.

[Mo Reviews]

Already have DBW on mine fella. You'll love the throttle control. I went from crappy aftermarket ones, I just wish I had more ECU inputs so I could utilise cruise control ability.

 

I was offering it to Nolizma as it appeared he was in the process of putting a shopping list together!

 

Which ECU do you have?

[sidewaysdan]

I was offering it to Nolizma as it appeared he was in the process of putting a shopping list together!

 

Which ECU do you have?

 

I could be interested in this mate. What you looking for it

[Mo Reviews]

I could be interested in this mate. What you looking for it

 

Drop me a PM bud.

[Noz]

I was offering it to Nolizma as it appeared he was in the process of putting a shopping list together!

 

Which ECU do you have?

 

My bad.

[Mo Reviews]

My bad.

 

You are welcome to still buy it of course!

[Frank Bullitt]

Already have DBW on mine

 

From the SC430 with a Bosch TB?

[Noz]

From the SC430 with a Bosch TB?

 

Porsche I believe. 90mm. Was brand new.

[herbiemercman]

Hi Dudes, I enjoy the tuning technical postings but have difficulty with acronyms and abbreviations, i appreciate these are very useful for the guys who are well up on the subjects discussed. Is there anywhere on the Club site where you can look up what they are? or alternatively you could spell it out in brackets, AFR ( air fuel ratio). I am aware that the system high lights in blue some abbreviations.

Meanwhile what are these ? FFIM, DBW, FMIC, HTM, TB. Many thanks . Herbie.

[Noz]

Herbie. Have you tried Googling any of these? Usually much faster than asking. I had a Google and it's usually a quick response, if not it can sometimes be self explanatory in the search findings.

 

Front facing intake manifold.

 

Drive by wire (electronic throttle).

 

Front mount intercooler.

 

A single page does sound like a good idea.

 

I nominate Adam to create and manage this

[Frank Bullitt]

FFIM - Front Facing Inlet Manifold

DBW - Drive By Wire

FMIC - Front Mount Intercooler

SMIC - Side Mount Intercooler

TMIC - Top Mount Intercooler

HTM - Harmful To Minors

TB - Throttle Body

ATM - Arse To Mouth

[Noz]

WTF

[Mo Reviews]

OMG!! Who's Adam?!

[herbiemercman]

WTFAW, This means (where the fu-k are we), the abbreviation came from a tribe in Borneo who are only very small and when they are running in long grass they shout WTFAW.

Hope our Irish friend does not mind us high-jacking his thread.

With reference to using Google, that's a balls ache when you are reading a posting, also a lot of the abbreviations and accronims are parochial to this club, not common knowledge to many Club members.

Anyway thanks for spelling them out and it looks like Adam has declined Noz's nomination. Herbie.