swiftstu Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Hi all, This may seem like a really stupid query - Sorry in advance. My Supe is a black Jspec '95. When I first bought it, it went under a tent and I: Rinsed, Snow foamed (AB), rinsed, 2 bucket washed (Megs soap), claybar'd, de oxidised, cleaned the paint(Dodo Juice), 3 step machine polished, and finally 3 coats of collinite 476 over about 13 hours. Now after that it looked lovely. A couple of weeks ago (a month after the above) I Rinsed, Snow foamed, rinsed, 2 bucket washed, and dried with big fluffy micro fibre towels. I now seem to have a ridiculous amount of scratches back and I just don't get it. And by that I mean it needs another machine polish. Is the clear coat particularly soft? or does it have trouble adhering to some sealants and waxes? I've owned black cars before, but never seen this level of damage after a month and a wash. Just any thoughts on the above would be great.. Ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 That does sound unusual given your rinsing procedures. What are you washing with? A decent wool wash mit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftstu Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 That does sound unusual given your rinsing procedures. What are you washing with? A decent wool wash mit? I use a deep pile cleaning mitt. It is synthetic wool, but is very plush. (from Autobrite) Cleans my daily car with none of the same issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Ven Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Are you using a pre-wash? I always used a citrus pre-cleaner to help shift the bulk of the muck. Aswell, if your going to the extent of a 3 stage machine polish, i would have looked at possibly ceramic coating rather than just a wax. Colonite 476 is a great wax but i did find unless its cleaned every week and topped up every month it didnt work as effectivley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftstu Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 Are you using a pre-wash? I always used a citrus pre-cleaner to help shift the bulk of the muck. Aswell, if your going to the extent of a 3 stage machine polish, i would have looked at possibly ceramic coating rather than just a wax. Colonite 476 is a great wax but i did find unless its cleaned every week and topped up every month it didnt work as effectivley /QUOTE] Hi Andy, in terms of pre wash I only rinsed and snow foam'd. The car was pretty clean already so didn't use anything first. I do use a combined de Ox and TSR solutions after claybar for any micro particles. I have to admit with the results I have, I don't think collinite was the correct choice. I love the stuff and always have, but I think I should have gone the ceramic route. I am a little worried now as to how much clear coat is left... I think I'll borrow a micrometer from someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripped_fear Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Could it be that you used a finishing wax with high filler levels and now you have washed that away, meaning the car wasnt scratch free the first time? could it still have needed refining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) if its only light scratches you are going ott with a 3 stage, and could be causing the problem , if the car is relatively clean , don't use the snowfoam , no need just pw off the worst of the dirt and just 2 buckets off you go . don't go on dw most of the info is BS from guys who know fuck all and most are still in junior school, also if you've already done a 3 stage you should have taken your thickness reading then ,I think it should be ok but doubt itll need another 3 stage Edited September 4, 2019 by peter richards (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftstu Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 if its only light scratches you are going ott with a 3 stage, and could be causing the problem , if the car is relatively clean , don't use the snowfoam , no need just pw off the worst of the dirt and just 2 buckets off you go . don't go on dw most of the info is BS from guys who know $#@! all and most are still in junior school, also if you've already done a 3 stage you should have taken your thickness reading then ,I think it should be ok but doubt itll need another 3 stage Thanks Peter, it was quite a mess before the polish, virtually perfect after, but now light scratches again. I’ll miss the snow foam, and not machine polish again. You mention dw, what’s that? I think I will look to ceramic coat it after some very minor correction and leave it there. Thanks for the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 detailing world , some good stuff on there but pretty much designed to empty your pockets , to much hype , companys use certain detailers to push rubbish products . but if you can see through the crap it can be informative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 just be carefull with ceramic products they have come on a lot in recent months , application can be a pita and curing times , me being mobile I cant use them , not sure what out there now as regards putting the stuff on I know a few companys started up here just doing it they lasted a few months , to expensive for what you get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 the only thing I can think of is the scratches or what you can see is in the colly ,try stripping it back gently mild clay bar , and see if the finish you had after machining comes back just try it on a wing or one panel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftstu Posted September 5, 2019 Author Share Posted September 5, 2019 the only thing I can think of is the scratches or what you can see is in the colly ,try stripping it back gently mild clay bar , and see if the finish you had after machining comes back just try it on a wing or one panel That's a very good shout. could be the wax either impacted, or contaminated... it was super heated during the hot weather as my wife left it out in the sun (on the 38 degree day) it did go on more granular than usual - I wonder if it could be knackered even. All good stuff, so thanks for the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) yes deffo not good in hot temps , so pointing toward that I think, theres all sorts of chems in the wax , maybe some solvents and if the panel is to hot it will evaporate to quickly and impact the curing time Edited September 5, 2019 by peter richards (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Could it be the swirls are not in the clear coat / paint but the wax you put on top? I used Collinite on mine and have washed it since 3-4 times since applying and it still looks great. Easiest car to clean when the wax is decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 post #11 bobb:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk4Gaz Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Hi Andy, in terms of pre wash I only rinsed and snow foam'd. The car was pretty clean already so didn't use anything first. I do use a combined de Ox and TSR solutions after claybar for any micro particles. I have to admit with the results I have, I don't think collinite was the correct choice. I love the stuff and always have, but I think I should have gone the ceramic route. I am a little worried now as to how much clear coat is left... I think I'll borrow a micrometer from someone.If it's black, it won't be clear coated. Black is solid colour 202. Toyota paint is very soft (or at least used to be), so you might be better off using spray sealants and a very gentle buff. Gtechniq c2v3 is very good, and top up with autobrite project 64. I had mine coated with Williams sealant, and it washes lovely now. I just top it off with a diluted mix of Williams as a detailer, or project 64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftstu Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share Posted September 6, 2019 If it's black, it won't be clear coated. Black is solid colour 202. Toyota paint is very soft (or at least used to be), so you might be better off using spray sealants and a very gentle buff. Gtechniq c2v3 is very good, and top up with autobrite project 64. I had mine coated with Williams sealant, and it washes lovely now. I just top it off with a diluted mix of Williams as a detailer, or project 64 /QUOTE] That's really useful info thank you. I will have a look into the products, and I have seen evidence that the paint is pretty soft. Interesting that it is a solid colour with no clearcoat though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk4Gaz Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 That's really useful info thank you. I will have a look into the products, and I have seen evidence that the paint is pretty soft. Interesting that it is a solid colour with no clearcoat though.Yes, white and black are both solid colour. All the others are clear coated [emoji106] Maybe with the exception of yellow, I can't remember if that's solid or clear over base? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 post #11 bobb:p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) I had the same issue with my black tt6. No matter how careful i was it always ended up with very minor scratches and swirlmarks after i washed it. Had it ceramic coated which didn't make a great deal of difference tbh - don't waste your money if you're thinking of doing it. Annoyed me that much that i sold it My quicksilver one is the exact opposite, i could wash it with a brillo and it'd still look great:) Edited September 9, 2019 by Marty (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 that's the main issue with any black car great when its clean but for how long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Haha they're never clean, dust, polish residue, it shows everything, once you stop worrying about it can just enjoy it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 mines silver so wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Haha they're never clean, dust, polish residue, it shows everything, once you stop worrying about it can just enjoy it I hear ya brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samurai 20V Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 The Supra black is a headache of note. If you look at the paint wrong it will marr... I try to minimise contact with the paint, try to use the foam cannon for light dust.. I end up correcting every 6 months or so.. The results of polishing the black are so rewarding though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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