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Turbo surge noise and running rich


Milo500

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Hi guys,

 

I have an ongoing problem, that has been happening for a while.

 

The car is a single turbo from twin, auto non vvti 1993.

 

It was making 485hp at the crank for well over a year, and never let me down...however due to all the issues I have faced in the last year or so, it's really starting to piss me off haha. (I converted it myself to single about 3 years ago).

 

So in a nutshell, this time last year the original gearbox started to go, so I bought one from a low mileage aristo, had it shimmed by David p and put I back in with a precision 3200rpm high stall.

 

At the same time, I had two changed the boost controller from a greddy profec to an LD Performance one (the profec screen smashed and was advised to get the new LD one (including solenoid).

 

After the gearbox and BC change, it felt like there was a low rev limiter at around 4.5k...the coil packs and connectors were changed, and that was solved. Then the surge started.

 

The problem is, since all of this, on full boost (1.5 bar, yes it was properly mapped before and ran perfectly), it now turbo surges at 1.5bar, or anything over 1.2bar. It also runs very rich, around 10.0-10.6 afr when full throttle (driving normally it runs fine). And it due to this it feels like it is down on power to the 300hp mark.

 

Trying to find out, and solve this issue, the following has been done.

 

Plugs changed and gapped

Coils packs changed

Coil pack connectors

Various small boost leaks sorted

Wastegate changed and gasket

Exhaust manifold skimmed

Exhaust manifold gasket

Turbo t4 gasket

All vacuum lined

Intake gaskets

Throttle body gasket

Intercooler swapped to make sure original wasn't leaking

(There are no boost leaks, for certain)

Boost controller

Gearbox (aristo and shimmed)

Gearbox filter and oil +stop slip

Torque converter

Compression test (all around 150 psi, 133k I'm mileage)

 

Nothing has changed...I am now at a complete loss...pretty much everything has been done apart from rebuilding the motor haha...

 

Any help would be hugely appreciated.

I'll happily update on anything I may have missed.

 

Thanks

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Sorry, it is a greddy emanage blue piggyback.

 

Completely different unrelated problem...It is now knocking...brilliant, however, I'm not sure if it is bottom end.

 

It seems to happen only for a few seconds at a certain vibration on start up, but runs perfect any other time

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Was the emanage remapped when you fitted your new gearbox?

 

Its a bit beyond my knowledge, but the way that high stall torque converters and shimmed boxes work, they change the way the engine comes under load, thereby increasing low rpm spool, which would require additional fuelling to prevent running lean earlier in the engines rpm range.

 

A skimmed exhaust manifold would also have an impact (albeit, I suspect a very minor one), and things like your intercooler and wastegate too, unless changed for exactly the same items.

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Was the emanage remapped when you fitted your new gearbox?

 

Its a bit beyond my knowledge, but the way that high stall torque converters and shimmed boxes work, they change the way the engine comes under load, thereby increasing low rpm spool, which would require additional fuelling to prevent running lean earlier in the engines rpm range.

 

A skimmed exhaust manifold would also have an impact (albeit, I suspect a very minor one), and things like your intercooler and wastegate too, unless changed for exactly the same items.

 

It hasn't however, the torque converter gets locked, or "stalled" when on the dyno, so wouldn't make a difference bud, but I get what you are saying.

 

All the boost leaks and manifold make sense also, however it runs rich, not lean, which doesn't make sense haha...Is doing my head in this car.

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Gotta say its possibly the ECU, have you checked it out? I had an manage ultimate go bad years ago and cost me my engine. Emanage blue are so old and $#@! nowadays, get a Link or syvecs or something, why go single and scrimp on the most important part of the job?

 

Because i don't have a spare few k's to throw at an ecu and mapping at the moment bud.

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