Matt H Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 So disappointing underwhelmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 Interior: https://www.supramkv.com/threads/take-a-look-at-the-interior-of-the-2020-supra.1502/ Car: https://www.supramkv.com/threads/official-2020-supra-images-theyre-real-and-theyre-spectacular.1501/ Pricing: https://www.supramkv.com/threads/the-unofficial-pricing-u-s-2020-supra-models.1500/ I just can’t get behind this car. I obviously want to see it in the metal but so far I’m underwhelmed. It’s not even the hype, it’s just the car screams overpriced German rubbish. If I wanted to get ripped off I’d get a BMW, Mercedes or Audi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I dunno, I think I’d be expecting more for the money if it’s going to be £50k plus. Seems a bit of a rip off Was the 50k not dollars though? We'd be looking at around £40k for the fully spec'd out one? I agree it's still a bit steep though, really want to reserve my judgement at least until I've seen one. The chassis might blow your socks off and more power doesn't sound too hard to achieve. The aftermarket world might save this car! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Having seen the latest pictures, I'm now firmly on the side of thinking that it's hideous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Was the 50k not dollars though? We'd be looking at around £40k for the fully spec'd out one? I agree it's still a bit steep though, really want to reserve my judgement at least until I've seen one. The chassis might blow your socks off and more power doesn't sound too hard to achieve. The aftermarket world might save this car! Yea but you know how it goes in this country, we end up paying the same as it costs it dollars! Conversion rate goes to the tax man. happened with the Mustang, I suspect it will happen with this too. If it was £40k for the top spec then I’ll be on the fence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaz2010 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Strange how 24 years ago the mkiv was 326 and yet now it’s saying it’s looking at 335bhp! Should of been 450 ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Strange how 24 years ago the mkiv was 326 and yet now it’s saying it’s looking at 335bhp! Should of been 450 ish Pretty shocking honestly. No real advancement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 This thing has been sooo long coming, I think it should be called the Brexit? Or is it like Brexit because no one is happy with what is being offered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC93 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 If the interior is like a BMW I will be cancelling my order. One of the nicest things about the MKIV is the interior and dash, so unique and feels special, nothing else like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) If the interior is like a BMW I will be cancelling my order. One of the nicest things about the MKIV is the interior and dash, so unique and feels special, nothing else like it. Not sure how I feel I think it all depends on price at this point. If it’s over £40k for the top spec then it really can’t be worth it Edited January 14, 2019 by JasonR24 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Strange how 24 years ago the mkiv was 326 and yet now it’s saying it’s looking at 335bhp! Should of been 450 ish Compare the torque curves though. And there is a reason why a 300hp car will do 0-60 in 4 seconds now when a 300hp was doing 0-60 in 6 seconds in the 90's, it's the gearbox and other tech that goes into a chassis. Just comparing numbers is apples and oranges at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Even the buttons and controls look completely BMW. The interior is one of the biggest let downs. The cockpit of the mkiv is something that's always been loved but that looks incredibly generic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Even the buttons and controls look completely BMW. The interior is one of the biggest let downs. The cockpit of the mkiv is something that's always been loved but that looks incredibly generic. /QUOTE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Compare the torque curves though. And there is a reason why a 300hp car will do 0-60 in 4 seconds now when a 300hp was doing 0-60 in 6 seconds in the 90's, it's the gearbox and other tech that goes into a chassis. Just comparing numbers is apples and oranges at this point. Exactly, probably going to be a lot lighter than the MK4 and handling is bound to be superior. Will probably still get pumped by a good hatchback though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Exactly, probably going to be a lot lighter than the MK4 and handling is bound to be superior. Will probably still get pumped by a good hatchback though This is the problem I have with all this. You can’t price your car high and then get out performed in every aspect by a much cheaper car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 This is the problem I have with all this. You can’t price your car high and then get out performed in every aspect by a much cheaper car Toyota are just cashing in on the Supra name, it was never going to live up to the MKIV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) Toyota are just cashing in on the Supra name, it was never going to live up to the MKIV. Absolutely - it's a marketing exercise to fill a gap. They'd have been better calling this something totally new and just leaving Lexus to produce the LC-SV (S for Supra, V for MKV!!) Edited January 14, 2019 by ellis (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Its more MR2 than Supra by the looks of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 This is the problem I have with all this. You can’t price your car high and then get out performed in every aspect by a much cheaper car Yeah agreed mate. I guess the only potential upside is the ease of more power. It sounds like the engine can cope with bolt on mods for a lot more power. It's whether or not the box, diff, axles etc. are up to it too (which I doubt). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) Toyota are just cashing in on the Supra name, it was never going to live up to the MKIV. Unfortunately I do agree. However forgetting the MkIV for a moment and for the benefit of anyone reading over at MKVsupra.com as I know they’re slagging us off You can’t charge this much for a carbon copy car that gets out performed by such a large margin by hatchbacks. Toyota had other options. If they had any confidence it would have a Lexus power plant. I would have been fine without an inline 6. Engines evolve that’s ok. What’s not ok is making out like you’ve designed an all new car when the whole things has BMW stamped across it. I’ve seen the “prototype” (which let’s be honest was the final car in wrap) and there’s no Toyota on this apart from the shell, everything else has BMW stamped on it. The interior is uninspired and the outside is limited by the z4 chassis.. Just to back up my point on price. The Audi RS3, Mercedes A45 AMG and BMW M140i all cost around £40 to 50k. All of them have over 335bhp some even more. Not to mention all the modern handling tech. Paying the same money and getting out performed by a hatchback isn’t a good legacy. I am still on the fence till I’ve driven it but it’s not looking good! Edited January 14, 2019 by JasonR24 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RastaMc Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Unfortunately I do agree. However forgetting the MkIV for a moment and for the benefit of anyone reading over at MKVsupra.com as I know they’re slagging us off You can’t charge this much for a carbon copy car that gets out performed by such a large margin by hatchbacks. Toyota had other options. If they had any confidence it would have a Lexus power plant. I would have been fine without an inline 6. Engines evolve that’s ok. What’s not ok is making out like you’ve designed an all new car when the whole things has BMW stamped across it. I’ve seen the “prototype” (which let’s be honest was the final car in wrap) and there’s no Toyota on this apart from the shell, everything else has BMW stamped on it. The interior is uninspired and the outside is limited by the z4 chassis.. I am still on the fence till I’ve driven it but it’s not looking good! I totally agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I think the exterior styling is spot on a good base to start with a nice set of ssr sp1's and lowered , the interior I agree with others to much bmw parts bin they should of at least designed their own heater controls and gearbox shifter. The engine should of been the f80 m3 engine and I know Tada says there is a more powerful version the grmn to come but is that 100% who knows , the price id never buy a new car anyway does not matter what you buy it's lost around 10% the moment it leaves the forecourt so it will be interesting 2-3 years the second hand price and will grey imports appear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) Is the unveiling being streamed live anywhere? E2A I'll stop being a lazy tw@t and use Google. Any one interested in watching it's here - https://www.clickondetroit.com/auto-show/live-stream-2019-detroit-auto-show-reveals Edited January 14, 2019 by Frank Bullitt (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Is the unveiling being streamed live anywhere? https://livestream.com/Toyota/Detroit2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 https://livestream.com/Toyota/Detroit2019 Thanks very much, I edited my reply the same time you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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