Pete Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I don't think being able to keep up with, or just about beat, a hot hatch will cut the mustard. No two ways about it, there are some seriously quick 'hot' hatches out there now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) No two ways about it, there are some seriously quick 'hot' hatches out there now. Absurdly so, especially when you think about what constituted a hot hatch 'back in the day'. I read somewhere that the new supra won't be a cheap car, so my point was that if the asking price is 'high', then you'd expect a differentiating level of performance from 'cheaper' cars. To negate this for me, the car would have to be stunning and I think that's my biggest concern. Obviously we won't know for sure until the camo is off but some of the renderings are meh. Conversely, the trade off with the GT-R is that I'm ok with it looking a bit meh because of it's performance levels. Edited July 23, 2018 by Matt H (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 To be fair, the MKIV when released was a bit of a marmite car, certainly a stunning car to you and me, and everyone else on this forum, but it certainly wasn't for everyone. I can see the MKV being the same. I hope you're right, but my concern is that no-one is going to say it's stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorruptSapphire Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I hope you're right, but my concern is that no-one is going to say it's stunning.Think that is very much personal taste. I do think it is. Whilst others may not. The same can be said for other cars, I think veyrons a fugly whilst others say the opposite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_supra Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I hope you're right, but my concern is that no-one is going to say it's stunning. I hope I'm right too! My thinking is its just too much of a risk to Toyota to put out a car that does not appeal visually to the masses in the current sports car market. I have one gripe currently about the styling of the car seen at Goodwood and that was the bonnet height. I'm hoping that the production model will address that as to my eye is what's wrong with the car at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) https://www.autoblog.com/2018/07/22/toyota-supra-torque-weight-stiffness/?guccounter=1 We have a few more details in the excruciatingly slow drip of information on the coming Toyota Supra. The carmaker's UK blog published an interview with the coupe's chief engineer' date=' Tetsuya Tada, conducted at the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Tada's been shepherding development of the car since 2012, saying the lengthy gestation was because "we wanted to make absolutely sure it was right." This kind of being right means the Supra has a lower center of gravity than the Toyota 86, as well as a wider track and a shorter wheelbase than its junior sibling. And without needing to use the futuristic carbon weave of the Lexus LFA, Tada said the Supra's body has around the same stiffness as that erstwhile supercar.[/quote'] In an interview with Autocar at the same event' date=' Tada alluded to a torque figure "on a par with that which we have with the F-Series from Lexus." That means something in the range of 389 pound-feet, the torque output from both the Lexus RC F and GS F. The 5.0-liter V8 in the Lexus coupe and sedan makes that figure between 4,800 and 5,600 rpm.[/quote'] The Supra won't have as much weight to push around' date=' though, Tada pegging the Supra as "around 200-300kg lighter than the F-Series." The RC F weighs 3,958 pounds, the GS F rings in at 4,034 pounds. The big number everyone expects (or wishes) the Supra would hit is 1,500 kilograms, or 3,300 pounds. That only works if you subtract the 300-kg figure from the lower RC F weight, which would put you at 3,298 pounds and seems like a best-case-scenario. Perhaps the four-cylinder Supra will do it.[/quote'] According to the engineer' date=' there's a good chance that the Supra will offer the last non-hybrid powertrain in a Toyota sportscar. Stricter regulations will make emotional, non-assisted sports cars too difficult, so, "I think the new Supra will be the last present from Toyota to those who enjoy hearing the pleasing sound of a pure petrol engine at high revs."[/quote'] Tada accepts that the Supra might not convince those hoping for a modern evolution of the last car' date=' especially with the experience of AE86 lovers to the new Toyota 86. "I know there are hardcore owners of the previous generations out there and it may be hard to convince them just by introducing a new car." Even though it's been stressed that driving experience takes priority over outright performance specs, he said "we've tried to aim for the Supra to offer an overwhelming superiority in all attributes," and that "I believe that when it goes on sale next year it will be the most fun-to-drive car in its class."[/quote'] Edited July 23, 2018 by Frank Bullitt (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I hope you're right, but my concern is that no-one is going to say it's stunning. That's the same as the GTR when released it then grew on to people.I don't think Tada is going to let anyone down he has a 600hp mkiv which is a good start , if you start to look at the specs lower centre of gravity than a gt86! 50/50 weight and same rigidity as a lfa ,little hints that the grmn version will be hybrid and that's fast instant power and no doubt have the 450hp m3 engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorruptSapphire Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 That's the same as the GTR when released it then grew on to people.I don't think Tada is going to let anyone down he has a 600hp mkiv which is a good start , if you start to look at the specs lower centre of gravity than a gt86! 50/50 weight and same rigidity as a lfa ,little hints that the grmn version will be hybrid and that's fast instant power and no doubt have the 450hp m3 engineThis is my thought. Too many people jumping the gun. In a few months we will know for sure. And I am pretty sure Tada and Toyota will not let us down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus GTE Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 This statement gives me a feeling they may actually do justice to the supra name at some point: "A hot Supra GRMN is coming too Following the critically-acclaimed Yaris GRMN hot hatch, will we see a hotter, GRMN-badged version of the Supra? Certainly not at launch, it seems, but Tada doesn’t deny the car is in development. “I would like to see something like that eventually,” he smiles. “We are preparing for it”. Personally I think its a certainty that a version of the a90 will appear with far more "F-yeah, thats what we are talking about" appeal... most likely way down the track. It will likely just be in very small numbers, and probably double or triple the price, where its success/failure will be negligible to the whole project. I know its easy to think "wrong, look at the 86, they didn't do much with its grmn version" but the 86 was never designed for that, its just not in that cars DNA namesake, Toyota has actively prevented attempts to make it a "serious" semi-super car. Instead, the GRMN Yaris is a much better example of what they are prepared to do (and what i didn't expect). They stuck a supercharger on it, doubled its horsepower, gave it a torsen diff and more.-> Its a 209HP 6spd Manual and 1100 KG! - a factory yaris!! Now put all this together for the new a90 release: - The first Glimpse of an a90 was in LM-GTE race spec - which is expected to race next year. it will NOT be slow. That car screamed "Fk me thats looks fast". Toyota is thinking about serious performance. - The strongest rumors are there will be a hardcore version of the street-car at some point. - The name Supra is synonymous with "OMFG" serious power and performance, it IS in the cars DNA, and Toyota recognizes and appreciates that. - Toyota GRMN has now shown it is both willing and capable of turning its cars up to the "Today is good day to die" level. - We also know that BMW has mountains of experience in delivering staggering performance, so access to big numbers is readily available and easily in reach. - We know the FT1, and potentially the LM-GTE, had a huge bunch of goodies on it, that arn't on the pre=production prototype a90, but could very easily adapt to the a90 road version. - and lastly Tada is "preparing" for it (Hardcore version) this early on. So my crystal ball prediction is this: I think that in 2023/24 we will see the GRMN "hardcore" Supra appear, and it will be a very substantially different version to all the others. Prior to that it will be the various versions of the "ordinary" 250-350hp A90 we are expecting. IMO, The cayman is the target for those "ordinary" models, and they will produce the vast bulk of all sales. The hardcore version will come much later, possibly at the end of the project/production lifespan(5 years?), and target the 911, GTR or more, but at serious cost. It will be the "towel please" version, with much bigger figures and goodies sacrificing fun for performance with a big price tag. I believe Toyota wants to get it some serious long-term race time first, to iron out all the kinks it is bound to have, before putting a "ok this just got serious" version to market. If i'm right, and they actually do make these high priced versions, even if its only 50, then for me it would be enough to give full credit to the "Dude, is that supra?" name. Id like to know that 25 years on they can make at least one version of the successor that can absolutely & utterly, "decimate all" the a80 can offer. [ATTACH=CONFIG]228362[/ATTACH] Hope this all to be the case, and actually agree; I think we will see “what we all want” a bit further down the line. With the mkiii was it not a few years after launch that the turbo was offered? Looking forward to seeing what LFA / Lemans tech trickles down. (Chassis is already more ridged than the LFA) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_1993 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) https://www.supramkv.com/threads/most-revealing-2019-supra-prototype-spy-pics-yet-spotted-3-19-18.803/page-27 https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-2-jpg.7822/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-3-jpg.7823/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-4-jpg.7824/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-5-jpg.7825/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-6-jpg.7826/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-7-jpg.7827/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-8-jpg.7828/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-9-jpg.7829/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-10-jpg.7830/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-11-jpg.7831/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-12-jpg.7832/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-13-jpg.7833/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/supra-less-blue-jpg.7834/ Edited July 25, 2018 by supra_1993 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Cool pics, kinda good seeing them together, the Supra does look like a totally different car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I prefer the BM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Can not wait to see it without the camo the supra rear picture you can really start to see the arches and the vents and shape of the lower doors. Glad the bmw looks totally different to the supra although looks like a typical bmw same grill looks like a m6 front end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 the Supra does look like a totally different car. Really? I was going to say the opposite. I prefer the BM Based one those, I think I do too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Why didn’t they come up with something like this all the power and the style 600bhp from the off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Really? I was going to say the opposite. Based one those, I think I do too. I wonder why BM has gone back to a canvas roof, i prefer the model before this with the metal folding roof tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Look very similar to me too. Front end obviously has a few different looks to it but the general lines, wing mirrors and windscreen are a few things that look identical to me. I doubt I'll fit in one at 6ft7 if it's going to be similarly sized to a Z4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Why didn’t they come up with something like this all the power and the style 600bhp from the off Who's saying they wont ? GRMN version will be the one hybrid battery power with no doubt the newer 450hp m3 engine with the dct, in a car that tada has already confirmed is as rigid as a LFA , 50/50 weight and lower centre of gravity than a gt86! And weights less than a mkiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Really? I was going to say the opposite. LOL every panel is different, the front end looks larger / taller, the back, sides are totally different. The Z4 looks smaller/sleeker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorruptSapphire Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 LOL every panel is different, the front end looks larger / taller, the back, sides are totally different. The Z4 looks smaller/sleeker.Not to mention that the Supra is a hard top lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_1993 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Really? I was going to say the opposite. The two do not share any sheet metal at all. Here are some pretty accurate renderings of both cars for comparison. https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/7036/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/7035/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/7037/ https://www.supramkv.com/attachments/7045/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 The pillars and windscreen are identical (as are the wing mirrors), so the car is likely far more than mere 'platform sharing'. Information on the wheelbase etc of the two cars should indicate how much they share. At the moment i'm guessing the relationship between the Z4 and mk5 Supra will be like the mk4 Supra and the jzz30 Soarer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blythmrk Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 It’s growing on me I just wish it was a 2+2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 It’s growing on me I just wish it was a 2+2.Ywah i wish that too. Sadly its a 2 seater Wysłane z mojego SM-G950F przy użyciu Tapatalka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 The Z4 is a good looking car, I just wish the front end was a bit more aggressive. Odd why the Supra front end is taller than the BWM considering they're supposed to have the same engines? Different tech perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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