veilsideTT Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Hi all, Ive asked before and ive been told that i should ditch my 19"s if i want to improve my very very poor handling (thanks CW ) My suspension is shot it! the car sits way to high at the front and way to low at the back. Its handling is deteriorating rapidly and im starting to worry for my safety My problem, i cant get rid of my 19" Blitz Technospeeds! there just too nice and they cost me a bomb!!! But, ive got to do something and preferably have some kind of height adjustment to bring that front end back down, or is it sitting high because of my 120,000 mile knackered suspension? I know Chris Wilson says i will never have good handling with 19"s but ANYTHING has to be an improvement over what i have to put up with now! Any suggestions or users of 19"s with aftermarket suspension? Many Thanks Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian R Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Cusco coilovers. I went round Castle Combe on stock suspension it was like dirving in treacle. Now with Cusco's its like driving on rails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Tein Flex kit.. I have 19" s and Im running much wider tyres than you.. My flex kit handles them perfectly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilsideTT Posted September 30, 2005 Author Share Posted September 30, 2005 TRD3000GT What tyre setup are you running on? IAN R Are you on 19"s? Many Thanks Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 315 X 19 X 25 265 X 19 X 35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 My flex kit handles them perfectly Have you ever taken it to a track to try it out properly? Or are you just chatting about daily driving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilsideTT Posted September 30, 2005 Author Share Posted September 30, 2005 i think i run 295/30/19 and 255/30/19 Would i have any "rubbing" issues with the Tein Flex kit? Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Scott, have you tried your car on smaller wheels? Just wondering if it would be worth borrowing a set of stock 17's or aftermarket 18's just to swap over and try as a test to see what a difference it makes. It'll then give you better idea of how much the 19's are to blame and whether the handling versus the looks is really worth it. Is your 120k mile suspension all original then? Mine was changed recently at around 45k mile and it was in poor condition, so I can't imagine what condition your dampers, bushes and springs are in by now. It's an expensive job, but replacing all your bushes/arms and fitting new dampers/springs should absolutely transform the ride and handling quality. If you are use to stock UK suspension, switching to Japanese branded coilovers is going to be a huge change, as the ride will be so much more firmer than you are use to, especially with the 19's on. Have you considered either Chris's set up (which a lot of members rave about) or going for a set of yellow Bilsteins and a set springs that lower the car slightly? If you need any prices on stuff give me a shout, as I have part numbers and prices for all replacement arms, bushes, coilovers, dampers, springs, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRD3000GT Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Have you ever taken it to a track to try it out properly? Or are you just chatting about daily driving? Ive taken the car on some pretty demanding country lanes and lets just say I was not doing slow speeds... Ive been through.. Stock / koni adjustables / TRD and finally ended up staying with the Teins.. Rubbing wont be an issue as you can fully adjust the height and the hardness.. If Im going on country lanes with dips etc etc I harden the setup buy 25 - 50 % Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian R Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Yep i'm on 19's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLC Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 I'm on virtually your exact setup, 130k, standard suspension, standard height. 19" blitz z1's 235 35's front 275 30's rear. Since everyone agrees 19's are bad for handling all i can guess is i'm getting too old for this game, as the last time anything slipped from under me was back on stock 17's a few yrs ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilsideTT Posted September 30, 2005 Author Share Posted September 30, 2005 Lots of options then. great info people thanks. Does anyone have rough ideas on prices of these options Tein Flex Kit £??? (Im guessing around a grand) Cusco Coilover Kit £??? Bilsteins + Lowering Springs. NIC, Chris wont do anything with his set up on a car with 19's. he told me i had to ditch them before he can help me. Yes my suspension is about the only thing i have left to renew now as its original (10years old ). Understand exactly where your comming from with the 17/18's but its a matter of finding someone willing to let me try them and having the time to do it. Im pretty certain that somthing on the suspension side is totally had its last day. Whatever i decide to do with the suspension i will be looking into changing some of the bushes etc, not sure on how far you can go with this but i am on a budget so i can go stupid with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilsideTT Posted September 30, 2005 Author Share Posted September 30, 2005 I correct myself, Im on 275 on the backs but changing to 285 when my tyres arrive. MLC, Do you find that the rear wheels sit perfectly in the arches but the front wheel arches are about 4" from the tyre? This is how my car has gone. someone asked me the other day if i was running "OFF ROAD" suspension on the front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLC Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Front wheels sit just a tad over 2 inches away from the arch, it is larger than the rear gap but hardly anything in it. I think you may have found the problem there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilsideTT Posted September 30, 2005 Author Share Posted September 30, 2005 I think it stems from having my car on axle stands for about 4 months in the garage. Since then it has had this crazy 4" gap from arch to tyre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherjohn Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 I have 19 inch bbs which were on the car when i bought it, also veilside kit. It looked like a dog with the original suspension which was standard springs and bilstein shocks. Bought a set of JIC FLT2 coilovers and lowered it to what looked good. The change was dramatic especially with a front strut brace, these you can set to whatever height you prefer, transformed the looks of the car and it is now like driving on rail tracks - suppose it all boils down to what you want to do with the car / cosmetic appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilsideTT Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 Who are JIC? Not knocking em, just never heard of them. Where can i look at them on the net? Prices? Etc? Thanks Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Who are JIC? Not knocking em, just never heard of them. Where can i look at them on the net? Prices? Etc? Thanks Scott The JIC FLT-A2's are a good quality coilover, JIC is a Japanese brand, see website HERE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 one question i have always wanted to ask... why do running 19"'s make the car handle poorly, i mean i have 19"'s and it handles ok (will have new suspension soon to) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 one question i have always wanted to ask... why do running 19"'s make the car handle poorly, i mean i have 19"'s and it handles ok (will have new suspension soon to) Chris Wilson's posts on [thread=5550]THIS THREAD[/thread] are very informative on the subject of wheel sizing/handling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilsideTT Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 Im tempted to try some lowering springs for a quick fix. Would like the Tein Flex Kit but i havent got a grand to throw at the car at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrote Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Get the suspension replaced asap. Your tyres will wear very pregressively rapidly as the shocks get worse. The car will also skip a lot in the wet, particularly over drains/manhole covers & become very twitchy. Voice of experience speaking here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Im tempted to try some lowering springs for a quick fix. Would like the Tein Flex Kit but i havent got a grand to throw at the car at the moment. A grand I should be able to get them delivered to you for considerably less than that, email me if you want some prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KARacing Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 I had a 19 with Tein Suspension set up on my first Supra. The car's handling was great. As I remember, the 19's size of tires were 235 in front and 295 in rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KARacing Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Hi Scott, I think all you have to do is replace a new set of suspension. Try TRD, HKS or Tein. These three are good since I had all of them before on previous and current Supra. Plus, please keep your 19" because they do look awesome on our Supra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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