Ramp use on agricultural premises (rules)

[ShawnPreece]

I wont go into to much detail as I dont want this to be easily searchable through google or anything but basically my parents have the neighbours from hell (and quite possibly worse). My parents are 2 of the nicest and quietest natured people around who will do more than anything for anyone (a few people on here know them and would all say the same) but they have a couple who live in the house next door who dont work and just sit at home conjuring up ways to cause trouble for people and cause hassle on others lives... they have been doing this for quite a while and alot of the things they do and have done is totally unbelievable without actually seeing it first hand they really are that bad but the issue im asking about is the latest of their vindictiveness as someone on here may be able to help out with knowing the full rules...

 

My parents live on farmland that my Dad farms, on this farmland he has a big shed which is stated as being for Agricultural use as Dad has forklifts and tractors etc that he keeps in this shed but he also has a 2 post ramp in it for working on the machinery and also for maintenance of all our cars. We've had a few cars up on the ramp of late for general maintenance and jobs as were not going to roll underneath the car on axel stands when we have a 2 post ramp in the shed. Their lovely neighbours however have taken photo's of all the cars that have been on the ramp and reported us for using the ramp for our cars when its stated as for agricultural use.

 

Surely we shouldn't have to risk climbing under a car on axel stands when we have a car ramp in the shed to work on the cars nice and safely and on our own property? I can see that if we were using it to work on other peoples cars and charge money for income then I would totally see their point but we are only using it for our own personal cars and noise levels are always at a minimum (especially as we could be making loads of noise using agricultural machinery).

 

Does anyone know the true ruling on this or where I can go to find out?

[rider]

If its your own property and there is nothing in the deeds (or planning consent) to state you specifically cannot do something you are doing then I'd recommend you test the horns on the vehicles as frequently as possible and generally make as much noise as possible. Reads very similar to my setup and if someone said to me I shouldn't store cars in my own barn or work on them in my own barn they would soon be sent packing.

 

Why are your neighbours snooping on and around your property anyway? Best invest in some private property do not trespass and beware of the guard dog enter at own risk signs.

[ShawnPreece]

If its your own property and there is nothing in the deeds (or planning consent) to state you specifically cannot do something you are doing then I'd recommend you test the horns on the vehicles as frequently as possible and generally make as much noise as possible. Reads very similar to my setup and if someone said to me I shouldn't store cars in my own barn or work on them in my own barn they would soon be sent packing.

 

Why are your neighbours snooping on and around your property anyway? Best invest in some private property do not trespass and beware of the guard dog enter at own risk signs.

 

Thanks yeah thats along the lines of what I say to Dad, he could park one of the tractors next to their hedge and leave it on full throttle but he says he doesn't want to start down that route as it will be constant retaliation where no one will be the winner it would just be one is a bigger loser than the other.

 

Their house is down a driveway and can see our barn overtop of their garden hedge, The barn is currently open on the front so they have been taking photos over the hedge of inside the barn. We are looking to close this up now though as my white Supra (my baby) will be going in soon and dont want to risk them doing anything so it will be fully closed in and locked but because the white supra will be in the barn and on the ramp for a relative length of time (a month or so) we were just checking 100% on the rules and trying to find somewhere stating that we can do this for our own vehicles for when the inspectors come round after the complaint. So far Dad is just thinking from a health and safety point of view that if he is told its for agricultural use only and nothing else at all then they can be responsible for his health and safety climbing under the cars on axel stands to do any maintenance when he has a perfectly good 2 post lift in the barn.

[Mont]

Jeez, my heart really goes out to your parents. What terrible neighbours they seem to have. I hope your parents get sorted with this. I know if this was happening to my folks they wouldn't be able to sleep at night worrying even though they've done nothing wrong.

 

Who did they report it to? HMRC? Surely your parents vehicles at least would be part of the farming business and repairs/maintenance would be ok? eg used for getting parts, feed, banking etc?

 

And if your car gets mentioned you could always show them pics of the Supra doing something like this?

 

[Scooter]

Some back ground needed, are these neighbours from hell, just all letters/complaints and officialdom gone mad types, or as well as this, nasty, verbally abusive generally steer well clear types?

 

examples of their previous stunts would be good.

[Burna]

Who's contacted your parents about a report?

[fullthrottle]

Can't really help you much with advise on using your ramp but as others have said it's for personal use not business so I don't think they have a leg to stand on.

On another note I truly understand the trouble you are going through I have met many annoying retiring people that have come from the big cities to live in our county of herefordshire and totally try and change the way we live in the country side

[ShawnPreece]

Jeez, my heart really goes out to your parents. What terrible neighbours they seem to have. I hope your parents get sorted with this. I know if this was happening to my folks they wouldn't be able to sleep at night worrying even though they've done nothing wrong.

 

Who did they report it to? HMRC? Surely your parents vehicles at least would be part of the farming business and repairs/maintenance would be ok? eg used for getting parts, feed, banking etc?

 

And if your car gets mentioned you could always show them pics of the Supra doing something like this?

 

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww249/Icarus_rs/hay1_zpshann0rww.jpg

 

Hahahaha love that photo. Yeah my parents are both really easy going people who just turn an eye to it as to save the hassle of it all but its starting to really upset them now.

 

I dont actually know the name of who it is they reported it to but its the people about use of land as its stated as being agricultural (Don't think Dad mentioned the name to me when he told me about it) Yeah I cant see myself how it can be doing wrong as the only way I can see it being wrong is it we were working on other peoples cars and charging them but its all our own vehicles.

 

Some back ground needed, are these neighbours from hell, just all letters/complaints and officialdom gone mad types, or as well as this, nasty, verbally abusive generally steer well clear types?

 

Both, an example of a few types is whenever my parents are outside doing anything (mowing the lawn, watering the veg, putting washing on the line etc...) they always start a massive bonfire which is only metres away from our hedge (they only do it when the wind is blowing our way) which is mainly greenary and offcuts as it smokes more but never is a bonfire going when my parents are inside or not got washing out (The amount of smoke is ridiculous Mum has kept photo's of the house just covered in smoke from it) and when I went down to politely ask them to stop it the one time as my 95 year old Nan was around and it was so bad we could smell it really strong in the house and Nan's not the best of health I was told "To get double glazing and it wouldnt be a problem" and they refused to put it out.

Another example would be the neighbours the other side of them have a dog... a really nice natured dog who like any dog does bark when people approach his house but other than that is totally quiet and well behaved... Our neighbours went down bouncing a ball outside their house to get their dog to bark loads to then have evidence that the dog was barking all the time and complain about the noise and saying the dog should be put down. When they came out to them because of the complaint we had enough people in our area to back up that the dog is totally fine and that it is the neighbours always causing trouble. Luckily or their family pet could of potentially been put down because of it.

[ShawnPreece]

Who's contacted your parents about a report?

 

Their neighbours told them that they had reported them mate so expecting someone around about it any day

 

Can't really help you much with advise on using your ramp but as others have said it's for personal use not business so I don't think they have a leg to stand on.

On another note I truly understand the trouble you are going through I have met many annoying retiring people that have come from the big cities to live in our county of herefordshire and totally try and change the way we live in the country side

 

Yeah that is exactly true, they came from a city to a place out in the countryside in Hereford.

[Mont]

I would definitely suggest your parents get proper legal advice.

 

If your parents have legal expenses cover on their home insurance they can ring them for legal advice and some policies also cover additional legal expenses up to a certain limit.

 

Also something like the fires can potentially make your neighbours liable should the fire cause damage to your parent's house (3rd party property damage) or health issues to your family from smoke inhalation (3rd party injury).

[Burna]

Their neighbours told them that they had reported them mate so expecting someone around about it any day

 

Oh mate lol Don't worry. Tell your parents just to ignore the neighbours. I'm willing to bet your parents hear nothing about it and nothing happens, or ever comes of it.

[ShawnPreece]

I would definitely suggest your parents get proper legal advice.

 

If your parents have legal expenses cover on their home insurance they can ring them for legal advice and some policies also cover additional legal expenses up to a certain limit.

 

Also something like the fires can potentially make your neighbours liable should the fire cause damage to your parent's house (3rd party property damage) or health issues to your family from smoke inhalation (3rd party injury).

 

Yeah my Mum has kept photos of our grounds and house when they have had these bonfires just to show the extent of how bad they are incase it gets to that but they are only keeping them as backup incase they are needed as they dont want to start a battle of things with the neighbours as they fear the neighbours will just be worse and worse if thats the case.

[ShawnPreece]

Oh mate lol Don't worry. Tell your parents just to ignore the neighbours. I'm willing to bet your parents hear nothing about it and nothing happens, or ever comes of it.

 

Yeah im thinking that they cant do anything when they come out as I cant see any way that we are in the wrong in what were doing but 100% know that they will have reported it and not that they are only saying it as thats the type of people they are. Just seeing if we can find anything stating that working on your own vehicles on your own agricultural property is fine just so we got things in backup for whatever they say when they come out.

[Burna]

Sounds like you need a mini supra meet and a bit of Littlenums launch control

[ShawnPreece]

Sounds like you need a mini supra meet and a bit of Littlenums launch control

 

hahahaha that is definitely what I want to do but Dad doesn't want to cause any more agro (understandably)

[Burna]

hahahaha that is definitely what I want to do but Dad doesn't want to cause any more agro (understandably)

 

I wouldn't be able to help myself if it was my parents who were worried sick about it, I'd be straight round there and make sure they were too shit scared to even leave there own house ever again, just in case they had an accident, or their house burnt down, by accident. But I'm a vindictive c*nt

[ShawnPreece]

I wouldn't be able to help myself if it was my parents who were worried sick about it, I'd be straight round there and make sure they were too $#@! scared to even leave there own house ever again, just in case they had an accident, or their house burnt down, by accident. But I'm a vindictive c*nt

 

Hahahaha nah im on board with this way of thinking but gotta respect Dads wishes on how he wants to handle them

[samdale]

You say they were taking photos over the hedge? So there's a boundary with an expectation of privacy? Pretty sure they're not allowed to do that. Tell the police you've seen someone taking photos. Got any children? Tell them they were there at the time....

 

BTW the "Speed plod & the law" sub-forum on pistonheads can be very good for this sort of thing.

[blythmrk]

A nice line of massive conifers is in order!

I honestly think if you are working on your personal cars at reasonable hours and not making too much noise what can they do about it?

My parents neighbour wanted to fight my 73 year old dad for standing on his lawn whilst painting the fence!

[X13mgr]

Hi Shawn.

My dad owns a farm and his neighbor s are agriculture tied. I just asked him and he said there’s nothing anyone can do if your working on your own Vehicles.

He said tell um to F off

 

Also I’m in for a supra meet with anti lag

And il bring my motorcross bike too for a rip round the field

[Axl]

Settled it is then supra meet around Shawn’s parents

[ShawnPreece]

You say they were taking photos over the hedge? So there's a boundary with an expectation of privacy? Pretty sure they're not allowed to do that. Tell the police you've seen someone taking photos. Got any children? Tell them they were there at the time....

 

Yep there is a hedge between Dads land and their garden that is the boundary, I did think that must be something like invasion of privacy but not sure the laws on that. Hahaha haven't got any children no but I see your thinking lol

 

BTW the "Speed plod & the law" sub-forum on pistonheads can be very good for this sort of thing.

 

Ahh ok thanks mate il have a look

 

A nice line of massive conifers is in order!

I honestly think if you are working on your personal cars at reasonable hours and not making too much noise what can they do about it?

My parents neighbour wanted to fight my 73 year old dad for standing on his lawn whilst painting the fence!

 

Yeah thats more why its getting to Dad quite alot as he is really respectful of things like that so its only in daylight hours that we are using it and the noise level is at a minimum so it causes no disruption to Dads neighbours life in the slightest.

Wow thats terrible about your Dads neighbour too, really not sure what goes through some peoples minds.

 

Hi Shawn.

My dad owns a farm and his neighbor s are agriculture tied. I just asked him and he said there’s nothing anyone can do if your working on your own Vehicles.

He said tell um to F off

 

Also I’m in for a supra meet with anti lag

And il bring my motorcross bike too for a rip round the field

 

Awesome thankyou mate that was my thinking as to me the only issue can be if we were using it for business use in effect by working on other peoples cars and charging them for it but all the vehicles that go on the ramp are owned by Me, Mum or Dad so is only for our own maintenance/modifications but was hoping to find it somewhere written down but judging from responses on here it seems fairly clear cut that we shouldn't need the backup of it written anywhere (hopefully anyway).

 

Hahahaha that is definitely what I would like to do mate

 

Settled it is then supra meet around Shawn’s parents

 

Hahahaha if I can persuade my Dad then yes this is happening

[Scooter]

I'm a bit like Burna on this issue but passive aggressive.

 

Essentially these neighbours are playing on peoples emotions, they are trying to worry your parents because their expectations of x y z are higher than anyone in power will agree with ie their letters if they've even sent them to officialdom would get laugh at or if actioned (like the dog case) will not end up coming to anything.

 

My ideas would be to mildly fight fire with fire, you/your parents are doing nothing wrong the neighbours are naturally antagonistic, probably really unhappy people and take pleasure in annoying others (the worst sort of people!)

 

If the hedge is your dad's land/property etc I'd be tempted to removed it (if it would annoy the neighbours more) and build a sizeable bonfire and wait for a suitable prevailing wind.

Or perhaps make a fake planning notice for construction of a two storey building for commercial car repairs and in the bit of land directly behind their hedge stake out a plot of the dimensions mentioned, basically get them flapping about shit, sit back and relax. I get your parents worries, but really they are not doing anything remotely wrong, so many peoples lives affected by (assumption alert) two townie pricks unhappy with their lot, they aren't worth the worry.

 

I've never had a real neighbour issue and to be honest I would probably be more like your parents and not actually following through (unlike Burna!! ) or want to ramp up the potential for tit for tat, but there are limits and these people shouldn't be allow to continue their antics.

[Scooter]

Assuming the neighbours are semi wealthy retired, do you know what their professions were?

[ShawnPreece]

I'm a bit like Burna on this issue but passive aggressive.

 

Essentially these neighbours are playing on peoples emotions, they are trying to worry your parents because their expectations of x y z are higher than anyone in power will agree with ie their letters if they've even sent them to officialdom would get laugh at or if actioned (like the dog case) will not end up coming to anything.

 

My ideas would be to mildly fight fire with fire, you/your parents are doing nothing wrong the neighbours are naturally antagonistic, probably really unhappy people and take pleasure in annoying others (the worst sort of people!)

 

If the hedge is your dad's land/property etc I'd be tempted to removed it (if it would annoy the neighbours more) and build a sizeable bonfire and wait for a suitable prevailing wind.

Or perhaps make a fake planning notice for construction of a two storey building for commercial car repairs and in the bit of land directly behind their hedge stake out a plot of the dimensions mentioned, basically get them flapping about $#@!, sit back and relax. I get your parents worries, but really they are not doing anything remotely wrong, so many peoples lives affected by (assumption alert) two townie pricks unhappy with their lot, they aren't worth the worry.

 

I've never had a real neighbour issue and to be honest I would probably be more like your parents and not actually following through (unlike Burna!! ) or want to ramp up the potential for tit for tat, but there are limits and these people shouldn't be allow to continue their antics.

 

Thanks mate a great response. Hahaha I do like the idea of a fake planning notice for a car repairs building

 

Yeah Dad is alot closer to retaliation for reporting their actions and the things they do like the bonfires they have etc and is thinking about using a phone or something in his pocket to record the conversations they have as they are really vile in how they talk to him about the issues they are creating but he's still not wanting to go down that route quite yet.

 

Assuming the neighbours are semi wealthy retired, do you know what their professions were?

 

Im not sure what their professions were tbh but yeah id say they are a relatively wealthy retired couple as its a good value of house that they live in. Im not sure on their age either but id assume they are a relatively newly retired couple (mid to late 60's at a guess)