Sharpie Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 With new regs and a V8 to work with, who do you think will have upper hand ? My outside bet is on Williams as they won their first drivers/constructors title with the FW07 in 1980 with a Cosworth V8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merckx Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Yes, Williams. Cosworth definately have the experience. It's nearly always impossible to tell though with the new regulations and stuff. Hope it's a British team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Why V8? eh what's happened? I'm not up on the news! Aren't they using V10s next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 With new regs and a V8 to work with, who do you think will have upper hand ? Bernie - some things will never change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Bugger. I was going to try and get to qualifying next year, guess I won't bother now I might as well stick with A1 if F1 are going to V8s. What a load of crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_J Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I think Mclaren will have the edge. Again, British team. Kimi (cant spell his surname!) was well unlucky this season, but I think Mclaren will iron out the problems with reliability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 edited wrong year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosmic Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Yep theyre going with 2.4 V8's. i also heard that some manufacturers were looking at using the existing V10's but with the FIA using restrictors to limit power output. Currently are about 3 secs a lap slower than their V10 counterparts, come March i think that gap will come down to around 1.5 secs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kosmic Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Also Cosworth have masses of experience with V8s, they did a stonking job in 94 with Benetton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I kinda rulled Williams out next year, until someone pointed out the V8 rules and they have Cosworth engines. So we'll see Gaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 26,000rpm sewing machines next year...w00t ??? Hardly inspiring noise wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 My outside bet is on Williams I wouldn't put the mortgage on it mate. 26,000rpm[/Quote] Maybe 20,000 but definitely not a great deal more than that unless they find something amazing 'twixed here and now. However that all said, what they're offering compared to what BMW was offering, they seem to be massively ahead. However the cossie lump is much bigger than the old beemer, which is causing me headaches at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I wouldn't put the mortgage on it mate. Maybe 20,000 but definitely not a great deal more lol - maybe...it was a figure I remember Irvine saying in a mag somewhere...it just stuck in my head. Wish you could publish your thoughts on why Williams isn't living upto it's past achievements...but I realise why you can't. Having said that every dog has it's day and all that....Williams had it's day and is now going through the lull after it. I do wonder how they will cope without HP's money...hope another big sponsor is in the pipelines...I fear, without exceptional support, they will become an also ran for a long time vs. the big motor manufacturers. I personally expect Toyota to do good things again next year, we know their V8 is going well in testing...and so a clean design incorporating the new V8 should produce good results, unless they really stuff it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLicense Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Wish you could publish your thoughts on why Williams isn't living upto it's past achievements...but I realise why you can't. Only because the list would take me too long to write, and it would make me How will we cope without HP's money. Well I'm sure our marketing department has back-up strategies that they've been formulating for the past 5 years or so that they've had it easy, just in case a title sponser up'd and left. Ah no, they've been doing feck all. So how will we cope??? By giving me an effective pay cut in line with inflation. (ie absolutely no pay rise this year!) for starters. But don't you worry, we'll still be spending money like water on all the little details that make the cars go faster. Like making sure the grass is kept nice and green, and that the gravel has nice little swirls in it.....FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Apparently the V8 is girly and too easy to drive according to Zonta: http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34205 "It is just like a video game,” the Brazilian told Autosport-Atlas. “It is dead easy to drive, not physical at all, therefore not a challenge" “A little girl could drive that car" 'only' 750bhp must be dull in a car so heavy - LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbourner Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 As long as they're high revving it'll be OK, my only problem with A1 was that the cars didn't sound as good as F1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 Well I'm sure our marketing department has back-up strategies that they've been formulating for the past 5 years or so that they've had it easy, just in case a title sponser up'd and left. Ah no, they've been doing feck all. I'm sure they've been busier than you realise. Those canapes and bubbly don't eat and drink themselves, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughie Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Williams has always been my favourite F1 team for donkeys years but the list of reasons why next year is not going to be good is growing: - loss of HP as title sponsor. Potentially therefore less budget next year. - "loss" of BMW = maybe good/maybe bad, but it's change and change always take time to overcome. - loss of Gavin Fisher, chief designer. He was good. (Tlicense how is he now after his bad bike smash ?) - BIG ONE THIS : Change from Michelin to Bridgestone. Probably will result in biggest single loss of lap-time. I think Williams are counting on the sole-tyre supplier in 2007 and think it will be Bridgestone in which case they will have (in theory) a year's headstart in getting to grips with B'stone but just LOOK at how Ferrrari (the evil empire) have struggled with the damn tyres this year. - Loss of Nick Heidfeld. - a very quick reliable and under-rated driver. Webber is good but makes too many mistakes. Top bloke though (have met him at Brands). - Switch to Cosworth - this may be a good engine but again, it's all about packaging and differnet engine has big knock-on effect on all kinds of ancillary components and until Williams knew 100% they were designing car round Cosworth next year, they wouldn't have been able to go full-speed ahead on finalising 2006 design. I'd like to be wrong, as i do like the team a lot, but 2006 has got mid-field at best written all over it, and very possibly somewhere near the back of the grid. ps. i've got a good mate who works at McLaren and he gets the odd bit of goss and info about bits and bobs and it is quite enlightening I must say. in his job he gets to meet pretty much everyone. drivers, mechanics, managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terawua Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 so can we expect a detuned toyota F1 V8 in a supra MKV in a couple of years? - it would be nice to look at a 10K rpm tacho as stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doughie Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Prob with ex-F1 engines is that they have, relatively speaking, no torque. They're all about BHP, not lb.ft. That's why they don't make good road-car engines as a supra is nearly 3times heavier than F1 car. (asides from all the other issues). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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