Marcus GTE Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2017/08/toyota-launch-new-sports-car-sub-brand-september.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=SupraForums.com_sold&utm_source=SupraForums.com20170914 All eyes on Toyota next month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Ominous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_harmer32 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 The whole BMW thing upsets me! I have never driven a BMW that I've liked, keep it all toyota! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus GTE Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 3. Litre inline 6 TT is NOT what I was expecting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 and I bet it's based on the BMW N55 engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_GT Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 and I bet it's based on the BMW N55 engine. Exactly. I doubt there will be anything new or original offered by this "sub brand". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus GTE Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 and I bet it's based on the BMW N55 engine. After googling that engine, apparently the S55 is the performance version of the N55, with 425hp. Sounds promising. Let's see where it goes. Toyota always seem to have an identity crisis when it comes to making anything other than an eco box or 4x4. The supra was sold only in Lexus dealerships in the U.K., and the LFA (spiritual mkv supra) was released under the Lexus brand. Seems they are nervous about the last supra suffering from the perceived problem of people not wanting to pay £40k for a car with a Toyota badge. Not sure Honda or Nissan have had that problem?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 It needs to compete with the GTR, the spot they seem to be aiming at here should be where the next MR2 sits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus GTE Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 There are roumours (prob covered to death on here) that there will be a 3.5 V6 turbocharged 400+hours engine jointly developed by BMW & Toyota as well though so we will just have to wait and see. Point of the thread was really that they seem to be gearing up to make an announcement with the creation of a sub brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazuk Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 The whole BMW thing upsets me! I have never driven a BMW that I've liked, keep it all toyota! lol I read it's because to design a chassis the cost is crazy especially when it's a one off model in the range take Mercedes the c63amg chassis is used on loads of model variants right across the c class range right down to a c220d. I think BMW and Toyota will make a very good combo as BMW know to make a good handling car, I hope they still intend to give the new supra a kers system and make it more powerful than the bmw equivalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus GTE Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 I read it's because to design a chassis the cost is crazy especially when it's a one off model in the range take Mercedes the c63amg chassis is used on loads of model variants right across the c class range right down to a c220d. I think BMW and Toyota will make a very good combo as BMW know to make a good handling car, I hope they still intend to give the new supra a kers system and make it more powerful than the bmw equivalent. I've read that there will be a hybrid version planned to be released halfway through the life cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Spill it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 It needs to compete with the GTR, the spot they seem to be aiming at here should be where the next MR2 sits. Why? The Supra has NEVER been sold to compete with any Nissan Skyline or GTR. The Supra has always been Toyota's alternative to the Fairlady/ 300zx / 350z. So long as it isnt GTR priced, beating a GTR is the least if my hopes for the new car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Because the mk4 was a super car killer and that's what the gtr is for this generation. A 350z isn't iconic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Hang on. Isn't for sports brand effectively Toyota releasing a Type R / Nismo/M/S brand. It's nothing to do with the supra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Hang on. Isn't for sports brand effectively Toyota releasing a Type R / Nismo/M/S brand. It's nothing to do with the supra. I wouldnt be so sure, quite often these sub brands go hand in hand with a Halo model, something Toyota currently lacks (discounting Lexus cars). We know the prototypes have been testing, and it appears that this has become more intensive and frequent in recent months. I would have guessed next year, but this seems like a perfect opportunity. Besides, Gaz's smiley face clearly means something, and he would have a better idea than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I wouldnt be so sure, quite often these sub brands go hand in hand with a Halo model, something Toyota currently lacks (discounting Lexus cars). We know the prototypes have been testing, and it appears that this has become more intensive and frequent in recent months. I would have guessed next year, but this seems like a perfect opportunity. Besides, Gaz's smiley face clearly means something, and he would have a better idea than most. There is no doubt a new supra is coming but I thought the sub brand stuff was all related to faster Yaris' and other Toyota cars already made but going to be made faster (and more expensive) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Speaking to Greg at ProTuner who was saying the N54, N55 and S55 versions are basically bulletproof like the 2JZ. He was undertaking quite a few 335i single turbo conversions and said the blocks would take 700 comfortably as proper aly decked blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC93 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just give me the FT-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_GT Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Because the mk4 was a super car killer and that's what the gtr is for this generation. A 350z isn't iconic. Exactly, the 350Z was one of the most disappointing cars ever produced to follow one of the greatest cars ever produced, the Z32 300ZX. But you can't really blame Nissan, they had been acquired by Renault during that time, and shock horror they started producing terrible cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 New Pictures and info - Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Oh dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilkinson Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 So they will have fancy bodywork but will effectively be stock cars with some hard suspension....... Seems like the M Sport options on a non M series BMW. The difference being that BMW then have an M series group of cars you can actually buy that go fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 is it me or does anyone else thinks it looks crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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