AlexJames Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Potentially a dumb question coming ... [GRIN][/GRIN] Lets say I like some of the Labour parties policies but dont like Jeremy Corbyn, how much should that sway my vote? How much control does the party leader ultimately have? For example, if Corbyn won and then wanted to raise income tax by 50% but the rest of his party disagreed what would happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilp9876 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Corbyn in particular operates by committee so you should be safe. See trident as an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 its a party hes just the leader , so id say decisions are made from the members . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 as the others have said, look at it as a whole, ignore the media hype behind either leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 How much power do any of them have on their own!? Look at Trump, he's had things he wants to do denied by the courts etc. You should vote for policies, leaders change, policies 'should' remain. I don't necessarily 100% believe that!!! but then I believe most politicians are out to just feather their nests, those that aren't are tarred with the same brush or get VERY little air time so no one outside of their own constituency knows who they are. Corbyn is a man of principle it seems to me which is at least something. He won't be getting he personal expenses claims investigated for 'Moat cleaning' like that Tory MP did. I just looked this up to check my facts and found this! if this isn't the old boys club kicking in what isn't........ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-who-claimed-moat-cleaning-on-his-expenses-will-return-to-parliament-through-lords-10474701.html You may think I'm a die hard Labour fan but I'm not I'm just trying to pick through the media heap for snippets of truth that allow you to look into how certain people are, I'd be equalling dismissive of a Labour/liberal etc candidate that took the piss like this guy did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Thanks for your answers gents, I must admit the Media hype is confusing me allot and i find it really hard to find a website that doesn't have an un-biased opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I just looked this up to check my facts and found this! if this isn't the old boys club kicking in what isn't........ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-who-claimed-moat-cleaning-on-his-expenses-will-return-to-parliament-through-lords-10474701.html There was another Tory MP who claimed for a "duck island": https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/23/mps-expenses-conservatives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Thanks for your answers gents, I must admit the Media hype is confusing me allot and i find it really hard to find a website that doesn't have an un-biased opinion! You pretty much won't, we all have an agenda of sorts. You only have to look at the views some people hold and then imagine that person in a position to control a website or media outlet etc and then throw in misinformation claims hurled from one extreme side to the other and it's miracle if anyone can come away not confused! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Some would say you should be voting for which local MP you wish to represent you in Parliament. But I admit that although my local MP Owen Patterson is not someone I am entirely in agreement with over some things, he got my vote ten minutes ago as he was the Conservative MP, and I would find it hard to bear another government under Labour, especially with terrorism rife and "Brexit" to negotiate. It'll be an interesting night as the results come in, but I am confident Mrs. May will prevail. I wonder if Diane Abbott will have recovered enough to share her sharp wit and formidable intellect with us on TV tomorrow? If she was told to take 5 days off I hope someone gave her a quick maths lesson as to what 5 means Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc92 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I think looking at the voting history of your MP and voting for them based on that is a good option. They're supposed to be the one representing you. If you don't like their past views then vote for someone else. See https://www.theyworkforyou.com/ Past that I agree that voting for policies is a good option, there were some websites about which would show you a selection of policies and give you the party that best matched what you wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Don't go for leaders. Go for MPs and policies. Oh and ignore the media as more often than not they lie too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Well... that wasn't the outcome I expected! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Me neither, I have to say May didn't inspire me with great confidence, she struck me as the right person, but at the wrong time. In a more settled period free of impending "Brexit" negotiations and increasing terrorist attacks, she might have been fine, but she doesn't have the aggressive streak needed to deal with the EU autocrats, or a divided population. So the country is now in limbo, with no immediate prospect of anyone being able to take a firm hand on the rudder. Every cloud has a silver lining though, and hopefully Abbott and Sturgeon will be a little less vocal for a while, and perhaps the resignation of the very uncharismatic Paul Nuttall from UKIP will see Nigel return once again to keep the EU exit firm, final and honest. I have said for years though that what we really need is a benevolent dictator in charge, with his immediate family in charge of our borders and the rest gunning for the eradication of the Liberal excesses that have seen society descend into such a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignum Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 So what you`re saying then Chris is we are all royally f**ked:taped: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 God knows what will happen, we'll just have to wait and see. It's early days, apparently Corbyn has been seen out buying jellybeans so he can explain the result to Abbott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Probably the right time for a military coup:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Me neither, I have to say May didn't inspire me with great confidence, she struck me as the right person, but at the wrong time. In a more settled period free of impending "Brexit" negotiations and increasing terrorist attacks, she might have been fine, but she doesn't have the aggressive streak needed to deal with the EU autocrats, or a divided population. So the country is now in limbo, with no immediate prospect of anyone being able to take a firm hand on the rudder. Every cloud has a silver lining though, and hopefully Abbott and Sturgeon will be a little less vocal for a while, and perhaps the resignation of the very uncharismatic Paul Nuttall from UKIP will see Nigel return once again to keep the EU exit firm, final and honest. I have said for years though that what we really need is a benevolent dictator in charge, with his immediate family in charge of our borders and the rest gunning for the eradication of the Liberal excesses that have seen society descend into such a shambles. You want to do away with democracy in favour of an autocratic regime? Have you considered joining ISIS Chris? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Probably the right time for a military coup:d Is it well funded enough for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Tribal countries that historically have lived in relative peace have usually been ruled by dictators. Their removal often results in anarchy. A benevolent dictatorship oblivious to many of the impediments to "getting things done" that irk our current legislation (that's beholden to enigmas like the ECHR) might save the UK from further and possibly final degradation. I find it amusing that we spend so much time helping to depose dictators when really we need one ourselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 So you're anti-Iraq war and the intervention in Libya then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Is it well funded enough for that? Even if we aren't, no one has the equipment or money to take us on anyway A few tanks in strategic locations and the people wont have a choice. They won't know we have no ammunition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Even if we aren't, no one has the equipment or money to take us on anyway A few tanks in strategic locations and the people wont have a choice. They won't know we have no ammunition Haha, I'm sure the social justice warriors will have a shield of hurt feelings to push you all back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 So you're anti-Iraq war and the intervention in Libya then? Absolutely, I thought intervention in both these countries was foolhardy, especially Libya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJames Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Looks like we have a Conservative / DUP government then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Whilst the young (new?) Labour voters are having a hand party in glee at how they have swung things they might ponder that they still have a Conservative governement, but now they have one tied umbilically with a party that is FAR more Right wing than May's lot. The DUP hold some views that might make the young Leftist lions currently setting fire to Twitter (so I am told...) weep. - - - Updated - - - Oh, and it looks like Nigel's back.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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