Wez Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Social care is only one slice of the pie. Details of how its split up, there are also plenty of charts available if you search online. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-public-spending-was-calculated-in-your-tax-summary/how-public-spending-was-calculated-in-your-tax-summary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonga Spar Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Anyone who can afford to own and run a Supra probably can't afford to do anything else So true it hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 edit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Details of how its split up, there are also plenty of charts available if you search online. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-public-spending-was-calculated-in-your-tax-summary/how-public-spending-was-calculated-in-your-tax-summary I know, hence my post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Send Corbyn in, he can have a chat with the terrorists and get them to see sense and not to be so naughty. I would send May, she would reduce police forces even more for a strong and stable butcheries at London streets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I would send May, she would reduce police forces even more for a strong and stable butcheries at London streets... Regardless of police levels you won't stop these nutters unless we get tough and bang them up before they go out to kill rather than wait until they are on their way to carry out an attack. But this will be met with the candle lighters and brainwashed PC brigade kicking off about human rights. Corbyn is a complete knobber, Abbott is a useless racist who has been tucked out the way because she's an absolute fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 It's not that simple though, you have to have a prosecutable case. We can't start locking people up without trial, as that is a very slippery slope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 days ago on a London bus. [video=youtube;Hpf_RPV-cZw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpf_RPV-cZw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 It's not that simple though, you have to have a prosecutable case. We can't start locking people up without trial, as that is a very slippery slope. As long as its terror related i don't have a problem with it tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Well you should. The right to a fair trial is what stops governments locking people up on a whim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 There's nothing fair about this situation, time we turned this round and started playing hard ball with these fuckers. If your not doing anything wrong or planning to then what do you have to worry about ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 it's a difficult one, lots think let's just lock up the ones that have done things to get themselves noted on a 'person on interest' list but then it could lead to abuse and innocents caught up in it (saying 'so what' is easier if you aren't middle eastern in appearance!) Also perhaps it makes it currently easier to trace the whole network/organisation if these people are known and left to plan/organise to a degree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 No one has stated locking them up without trial. Its about having the right to detain them and question them, which happens if you are suspected of committing any crime. Its about stopping them from re entering the country if its believed they have left for terror reasons or been to questionable areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 How do you legally prevent a UK national from entering the UK without a trial? You can't leave them stateless (see article 8 of the UN "Statelessness Reduction Convention, 1961"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Send them to GTMO to await trial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 How do you legally prevent a UK national from entering the UK without a trial? You can't leave them stateless (see article 8 of the UN "Statelessness Reduction Convention, 1961"). Maybe I have interpreted Article 8 wrong, because article 8.3 says otherwise. And a person can be detained in foreign countries before they enter the UK. Or when they have entered, IE at the airport they can be detained at the airport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 You can't detain them indefinitely though, that's an absolute parallel to imprisonment without trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 You can't detain them indefinitely though, that's an absolute parallel to imprisonment without trial. Oh I agree that is absurd. And that's not what is being said. If I'm suspected of a crime, I'm either taken to the police station under my own esteem for questioning, or I'm arrested and detained for questioning. If they believe there is a case, then I'm charged with said crime. Then released, depending on the nature of the crime until trial. I had all this when I was accused of affray for beating down two attackers. Yet someone of interest on a terrorist watchlist is allowed to waltz around and travel to Libya and back and nothing happen. That's the injustice here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 No, I agree. But revoking someone's passport while abroad is not something I agree with. Holding them on entry for the purposes of a trial (or questioning) is fine. But simply saying "don't let the back in" as a blanket policy isn't something I could get behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Well you should. The right to a fair trial is what stops governments locking people up on a whim. Nonsensical statement entirely. Human rights and "fair trials" go out the window with these absolute violent scum. If there is anything suspect and if there has been any involvement with radical preaching/IS then they should immediately be deported or detained in or outside the U.K. and not subject to a fair trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 No, I agree. But revoking someone's passport while abroad is not something I agree with. Holding them on entry for the purposes of a trial (or questioning) is fine. But simply saying "don't let the back in" as a blanket policy isn't something I could get behind. It's not revoking someone's passport. And not letting them in means not letting them roam the streets. But if someone who's about to kill humans, ultimately removing someone's human right to live, then they don't deserve sh*t and I would happily end their life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 That's not the point though, the point is due process. By all means detain them for questioning, but indefinitely banning a UK national from the UK without trial is not a way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 There has been no mention of a definite ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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