Frank Bullitt Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Summary Police confirm more than one fatality after incident at London Bridge Pedestrians reportedly hit by a white van, reports of men attacking members of public Police responding to incidents in London Bridge, Borough Market and Vauxhall Officers understood to be looking for three suspects who may be armed Downing Street says Prime Minister Theresa May is being regularly updated London Bridge railway station is closed while transport police deal with the incident Transport for London says the bridge is closed to all traffic So far Police at the cordon at the south side of London Bridge says there is more than one fatality apparently 3 men got out of the crashed van and started stabbing people with "long knives" Live Updates - BBC News - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitbox Junkie Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Just been woken up by the other half with this as her friends and family are at the O2/near this. Terrible news watching it live on the news. Thankfully they are OK. Thoughts with the family's that have lost someone tonight and to the injured Apparentlyno warning this was going to happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glanza_Mike Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I'm away with the Mrs in London, just got back to our hotel. Luckily got the last tube home as the police have closed it now. Police all over the place. Not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted June 3, 2017 Author Share Posted June 3, 2017 Scary stuff, reading between the lines it sounds like the 3 may have escaped as the police have been filtering large groups of people but have made them walk with their hands in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Send Corbyn in, he can have a chat with the terrorists and get them to see sense and not to be so naughty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evinX Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Send Corbyn in, he can have a chat with the terrorists and get them to see sense and not to be so naughty. He would have won. But after this i feel more eyes have opened to the reality of the world we now live in. And may will take win. Back on note. Sickening to see body bags and to hear whats happened. Life shouldnt be like this. Its 2017 and were in modern times. Very sickening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Don't worry. More candles and prayers will sort this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 So what can we actually do ? Were these 3 attackers on the watch list ? If they were then i think things will start to heat up for our politicians with the public demanding action against others on the list before more attacks happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rsb Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Send Corbyn in, he can have a chat with the terrorists and get them to see sense and not to be so naughty. +1 - unless it's the IRA in which case he would back their actions. I'd never advocate an unnecessary show of force but these scum bags and those who helped them need everything thrown at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilkinson Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Thankfully all three of suspects were shot dead. That's one less circus well have to see and hear about. 500 active plots, 23,000 people of interest. I don't think many people grasp how lucky we are that more of these incidents don't occur. We do need to improve our ability to deal with persons suspected of being involved in this sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 So what can we actually do ? Were these 3 attackers on the watch list ? If they were then i think things will start to heat up for our politicians with the public demanding action against others on the list before more attacks happen I doubt very much if there is any politician in this country with the balls to do what needs to be done ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted June 5, 2017 Author Share Posted June 5, 2017 I doubt very much if there is any politician in this country with the balls to do what needs to be done ! It's because the neo-liberals/PC brigade start throwing tantrums using words like racist and xenophobic. You just need to look at what is going on in Germany with the revealing of a criminal's country of origin in the media being highly controversial and their migrant rape crisis to see what this lot prefer to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulj1 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 All politicians are the same all lying fuckers that are only looking out for them selves and so out of touch normal people, this makes it hard to pick one to vote for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 All politicians are the same all lying fuckers that are only looking out for them selves and so out of touch normal people, this makes it hard to pick one to vote for Yep, I've always voted Tory, not this time - either not voting or voting Labour to try and make sure the Tories don't have a large majority so they feel that they can do what they like, as they're ruthless bastards, example the homecare policy they unveiled, can't believe they brought that out, but that gives an example of what they are capable of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Yep, I've always voted Tory, not this time - either not voting or voting Labour to try and make sure the Tories don't have a large majority so they feel that they can do what they like, as they're ruthless bastards, example the homecare policy they unveiled, can't believe they brought that out, but that gives an example of what they are capable of. I'm sorry, but why do some people have it in their head that the government has to pay for everything for them? Who else is going to pay for the nursing home? Oh and just to point out, it was labour that introduced the idea of selling assets to pay for care, and introduced a cap. A house could still be utilised but in rare cases. All the tories did was move the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 I'm sorry, but why do some people have it in their head that the government has to pay for everything for them? Because they tax us through the arse maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Because they tax us through the arse maybe? As much as I agree that we are taxed through the arse, you can't claim to vote labour in opposition to the homecare cap raise when Labour intend to raise income tax. Say what you want about people who earn above 80k, but I'll be in that bracket in the not too distant future and I already see too much of my earnings disappear into taxes. 40% plus national insurance and student loans on all of my overtime makes me wonder why I even bother; if I start losing more than half of that money I will be seriously expecting more in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 The big loss in tax is tax loopholes for corporations and the mega rich and the low corporation tax. If those were sorted then the government would have no issues on lack of tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 The big loss in tax is tax loopholes for corporations and the mega rich and the low corporation tax. If those were sorted then the government would have no issues on lack of tax In reality, they will find new loopholes to exploit, or squeeze them too hard and they will just relocate their money. When they lowered corporation tax, the amount of tax they received increased, whereas in France, where Hollande raised it, they lost a lot of tax revenue, and many wealthy people, and even well paid professionals left. Labours plans just don't add up. It's pretty bad when their plans are are so bad that it makes the Tories uncosted and similarly ridiculed (by the IFS) plans look like the rational choice. The Lib Dems have the right idea, it's people on fairly average wages that that need to be taxed more, as it will result in a more consistent, more realistic increase in tax income. There are also a lot of public sector efficiency savings that can be made, I bet if a *decent* private sector firm set about re-organising the NHS there would be a lot of savings to be made from its organisational structure (NOT the front line) and its woefully incompetent (and likely corrupt) buying/ purchasing practices. I've been given a bit of insight recently into the mentality and culture of jobs and wages in the public sector, the amount of money some of these people can command is truly shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 In reality, they will find new loopholes to exploit, or squeeze them too hard and they will just relocate their money. When they lowered corporation tax, the amount of tax they received increased, whereas in France, where Hollande raised it, they lost a lot of tax revenue, and many wealthy people, and even well paid professionals left. Labours plans just don't add up. It's pretty bad when their plans are are so bad that it makes the Tories uncosted and similarly ridiculed (by the IFS) plans look like the rational choice. The Lib Dems have the right idea, it's people on fairly average wages that that need to be taxed more, as it will result in a more consistent, more realistic increase in tax income. There are also a lot of public sector efficiency savings that can be made, I bet if a *decent* private sector firm set about re-organising the NHS there would be a lot of savings to be made from its organisational structure (NOT the front line) and its woefully incompetent (and likely corrupt) buying/ purchasing practices. I've been given a bit of insight recently into the mentality and culture of jobs and wages in the public sector, the amount of money some of these people can command is truly shocking. Taxing those on average wages is absolutely not the right idea. Just because these people exploit tax loop holes I shouldn't have to pay more to cover them. Pure greed. Apple alone should pay 400 million and doesn't. That's one big company. The loopholes need to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Taxing those on average wages is absolutely not the right idea. Why not? If I use a service, I expect to pay for it. Why should it be any different with public services? Just because these people exploit tax loop holes I shouldn't have to pay more to cover them. You aren't "covering them". Overwhelmingly, 'they' pay the vast majority of tax, and use the welfare system the least. Expecting other people to foot your bill is also greed I agree that big corporations need to 'toe the line', but tax from them should be in addition to our taxes, not instead of. Anyone who can afford to own and run a Supra can afford to pay more tax, and if you want better funded public services its only fair that we all foot the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I'm sorry, but why do some people have it in their head that the government has to pay for everything for them? Who else is going to pay for the nursing home? Oh and just to point out, it was labour that introduced the idea of selling assets to pay for care, and introduced a cap. A house could still be utilised but in rare cases. All the tories did was move the cap. /QUOTE] Because we pay tax and VAT on our fuel. after paying tax on the car we buy to enable us to go to work, to earn money that is then taxed again and pay NI upon, we then use that money to buy more fuel which is then taxed. We buy goods that have VAT put on them, after already paying tax three times on said monies. You're encouraged to work and earn more, own your own home (then pay stamp duty tax), pay the mortgage, which is charged interest on, which is then taxed at the banks end. You pay your home off, need care, die and then your home is taken off you as a tax again. Our kids will have no inheritance, which makes the next generation poorer again. Great system. And yes I know labour brought in the previous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Anyone who can afford to own and run a Supra can afford to pay more tax, and if you want better funded public services its only fair that we all foot the bill. Anyone who can afford to own and run a Supra probably can't afford to do anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Because they tax us through the arse maybe? Actually we aren't taxed that much compared to most of our European neighbours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 And with the tax we pay and VAT, it gets spent on various other things that keep the country running. Social care is only one slice of the pie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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