The Raven Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 So im looking at getting a diesel family car, everyone is saying im mad and they will be worthless due to the new "laws" My understanding is its more the aimed at older non euro 6 engines? Anyone able to shed light on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Look for Auto Express online, a couple of weeks back they did an interview with all the major manufacturers on the future of diesel,most thought there would still be a place for it but only in bigger engines.It seems new euro regs on emissions will require expensive development to make diesel viable in small engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripped_fear Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Will keep an eye on this as everyone keeps telling me im mad for looking for a diesel 5series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 So i guess no one knows, I was looking at a cx 3 or Renault captur both with a 1.5 diesel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/98747/diesel-ban-new-toxins-tax-could-charge-diesel-cars-20-to-enter-uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mplavery Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 When everyone back to petrol they will do the same thing again to make everyone go to electric cars.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 When everyone back to petrol they will do the same thing again to make everyone go to electric cars.. Too much oil left in the ground yet to do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/98747/diesel-ban-new-toxins-tax-could-charge-diesel-cars-20-to-enter-uk So this £20 a day city charge is only going to effect Euro 4 or lower, i.e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Two editorials in this weeks Auto express about this again.One calling for some organisation to start campaigning to support this fuel! Apparently mayor of London and Lib dems are the main ones demonizing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugello Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 It's because of this latest talk that I'm holding off buying a new daily. There is also talk about a diesel scrappage scheme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 There are way too many diesel cars about for them to be outlawed just yet. Same as if you have a car from 1906 or whatever - if it exists, you can drive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 It was inevitable. Diesels are dirty, shit bust. Always have been always will be. The encouragement for diesels was all designed to boost car sales. It should never have happened in the first place. The cost of diesel at the pumps have been subsidised for far too long with the cost added to petrol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Its just typical public scaremongering, the hype takes over then threads like this appear. And re subsidised diesel costs, back in the day diesel was considerably less than petrol, its a byproduct of the petrol process. Since its popularity rocketed the government and companies maxed their profits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 That's only because diesel was taxed at a different rate than petrol. Diesel isn't a by product of the petrol process. Both diesel and petrol are byproducts of the crude oil. Modern diesel is also extremely different to how it was several decades ago. And Diesel engine R&D were heavily subsidised by governments in the 90's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Who is going to do the first all electric Supra conversion then... Anyone got Elon Musk's phone number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Who is going to do the first all electric Supra conversion then... Anyone got Elon Musk's phone number? Ha, I've actually had a plan to make an electric powered supra for a few years now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Ha, I've actually had a plan to make an electric powered supra for a few years now I was looking into it, but battery cost is a killer at the moment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 I was looking into it, but battery cost is a killer at the moment... I don't plan on running batteries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Interesting that the new Seat Ibiza doesn't have a diesel engine specified in it's U.K price list,will this be the first of many ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_bandido Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I think the improvement in direct injection and hybrid technology in petrol cars will make diesels redundant anyway, regardless of regulatory changes. Compare current MPG figures to the 90's as a function of torque vs MPG and it's a rather interesting graph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Interesting that the new Seat Ibiza doesn't have a diesel engine specified in it's U.K price list,will this be the first of many ! It's not the first Diesel is on the way out. There will be huge tax incentives to get the public away from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I don't plan on running batteries Do share please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wile e coyote Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 i would never buy another deisel car, too many problems with them now ill just buy petrol vans i have no option atm but get ride off before warranty goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Do share please The problem with electric cars using batteries is A) the cost of batteries B) the charge in the batteries and C) recharging the batteries. It's just not economical. My plan is to use a generator to provide power to the electric motors. That way only limiting factor is fuel. Since a good 2kva will last 24 hrs on 3.5 litres continuous use, you should get thousands of miles out of a tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 The problem with electric cars using batteries is A) the cost of batteries B) the charge in the batteries and C) recharging the batteries. It's just not economical. My plan is to use a generator to provide power to the electric motors. That way only limiting factor is fuel. Since a good 2kva will last 24 hrs on 3.5 litres continuous use, you should get thousands of miles out of a tank This is what the industry calls a "series hybrid". Unfortunately you can't ditch batteries. You will need something to act as a current buffer for the periods when your gen-set is producing more power then you want (i.e. when cruising) and also to act as a temporary current source when it is producing less current then you need (for rapid accelerations). A series hybrid only works if you can run the small gen set at an optimum economical set point, which will be far below the maximum requirements of the vehicle and way above the minimum requirements (although your 2kVa example is probably too small to work). If you somehow plan to modulate the gen set itself to increase or reduce power as and when you need it then you will end up with something less efficient then the normal engine as you will need a gen set as big as the 2JZ for peak performance, with the efficiency losses in between the engine, motor and generator. If by 2kva you mean the output of the proposed gen set, 2kva = 2kW. The bog stock 2JZ as a peak output of 206kW, so you're not really comparing apples with apples. If you really plan to sun a 2kVA gen set then you will need some hefty batteries to store enough energy for when you want to go above 30 mph for a few minutes To put things in perspective, the Chevy Volt, which reverts to operating as a series hybrid when its EV range has been exceeded uses a 63kW engine driving an (up to) 111kW primary motor-generator or a secondary 55kW motor-generator, coupled with a 18.4kWh worth of batteries and has a 420 mile total range (not "electric" range). The BMW i3 Rex uses a far smaller gasoline engine (25kW) and a similar sized motor-generator (125kW) and 22 or 33kWh battery packs, and has a total range of just 180 miles. Obviously, as you pint out, total range depends on the size of the fuel tank tank. You might be able to get "thousands of miles" out of a 2kW generator using the Supra's big fuel tank, but without batteries you will be doing it all at walking pace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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