Syria

[Dnk]

How far will this go after the US attacked Syria on Friday

 

The Russians don't seem to be very happy about it

[safcdixon]

Did the US really attack? Did Syria really attack its own poeple? Are the questions that should be asked, the whole thing is mighty suspicious imo, Russia have means within Syria to intercept these type of attacks but didnt, why?

[uzzyuzzy]

There is more to it then what we see on TV. Saudi and UAE push for wahabi sunni Islam for the region at the same time iran and Syria being the majority Shia groups who don't meet the norm. US support for Israel and Iran and Syria not recognising the state of Israel.

 

There are too many groups fighting in the region and majority backed by the West. What surprises me is if a sovereign nation like Syria is attacked then why did it not retaliate as it has all the resources at its disposal.

 

Also who has appointed the US as the international police?

[el_bandido]

The fact that America bombed Syrian government installations with no evidence it was them who committed the chemical attack (which would make no sense whatsoever) is utterly ridiculous, particularly ironic given the complaints they have about Russia potentially interfering in their election. This is not how you lead by example. Add that to the fact that dropping $90 million odd worth of weapons tech over night is fine, but there isn't funding for healthcare should eliminate any illusion that Trump is anything other than a continuation of the norm. Hillary Clinton would have been worse, but the Democrats made a huge mistake in fielding her as a candidate.

[safcdixon]

 

Also who has appointed the US as the international police?

 

They did

[uzzyuzzy]

They did

 

Well I hope the Saudi regime is next on his list as there has never been an election there and no human rights exists there.

[AC93]

It's all ridiculous.

 

America bombs Syria because 'Syria bombed Syria'?!

There's so much going on over there with different nations and groups.

[mc92]

I think the west should stay out of the middle east and leave them to it, it's none of our business.

[Chris Wilson]

Trump has most disappointingly gone from his pre election cited, none interventionist approach to one that is recklessly interventionist and seemingly based upon tenuous evidence that Sarin was actually used, and if so, by whom? I reckon only a handful of people know the full story, and to me that is worrying. The US and UK, and indeed Europe should have learnt by now that dictators doing unsavoury jobs in hell hole countries are best left to it, rather than deposed with narry an apparent thought to how the power vacuum created will be addressed. If Assad, whom I support as the most palatable of the options for ruling Syria, did sanction nerve gas, then why?? He was on top of the "rebels" with Russian support and the US being quasi supportive, why would he sanction a chemical attack bound to rile the US and many other countries sensibilities? To me it makes no political or military sense at all, and the guy's no idiot. So, tin foil hat or not, I have to wonder if something more sinister is afoot.

 

This sort of report makes me worry that this is a set up:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4388780/Doctor-Syria-stood-trial-terror-offences.html

 

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[h=1]UK-trained doctor hailed a hero for treating gas attack victims in Syria stood trial on terror offences ‘and belonged to the group that kidnapped British reporter John Cantlie’[/h]

• Dr Shajul Islam was arrested for kidnapping journalists is back in Syria
  
• The ex-NHS doctor and his brother were released after the case collapsed
  
• He was released as the prosecution's witnesses weren't able to give evidence
  
• He published a video of the patients after the attack which killed 86 on Tuesday
  

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Is evidence from such people to be trusted, or do they share some agenda???

[safcdixon]

Well I hope the Saudi regime is next on his list as there has never been an election there and no human rights exists there.

 

They have a good deal with each other on the black stuff, cant see it happening anytime soon

[Al Massey]

I've decided to refrain from discussing this but there's a few things that bother me.

 

Firstly, the video that went viral of the dead and incapacitated Syrians is doctored.

 

There's one clip of a man on his back, slowly shaking his head and looks to be gasping.

The clip is shown a few times and is several seconds long.

 

It's actually 1-2 seconds long but has been doctored to play forward then reverse several times.

 

You can tell by the ripples in the water when his head moves.

 

Secondly, it states a chemical attack.

Nerve agent to be precise.

 

Now nerve agents are mainly persistent.

They linger and water DOES NOT wash away a nerve agent, nor does it make it safe for people to be around.

 

So IF a nerve agent was used in munitions or a spray from a jet/plane, then it will be everywhere, lingering killing people as they not only breathe it in, but come into contact with it.

Never agents can enter the body through various ways.

 

So all those dead bodies from chemical agents would still be contaminated when their families were touching them, picking them up, holding them and washing them etc.

 

 

I find this very hard to believe it was a nerve agent.

Could easily be chlorine as it's non persistent and has similar symptoms.

Funnily enough, so does atropine which is used to help against nerve agent poisoning.

 

This whole thing smells of crap IMHO.

[Frank Bullitt]

Aren't full body suits, gloves et cetera needed when dealing with Sarin?

[Big Supes]

To cut a long story short, Russia and Syria must have been giving the American armed 'ISIS' a hiding. The US decided to level the score while they patiently wait for Assad to be overthrown.

 

This could turn ugly. Especially if the two egos that are Trump and Putin start trying to outdo each other.

 

Until the West moves on from fossil fuels, there will always be a war in the middle east that involves us.

[Al Massey]

Aren't full body suits, gloves et cetera needed when dealing with Sarin?

 

Yes.

Full chemical suits and respirators are needed for all chemicals, but sarin is the worst of them all.

[Frank Bullitt]

Yes.

Full chemical suits and respirators are needed for all chemicals, but sarin is the worst of them all.

 

So all that BBC footage showing the people being treated for Sarin, the guys attempting to help the "victims" should have been suited up with breathing apparatus yet they weren't. So it can't have been Sarin...right?

 

Taken from Wikipedia

 

Sarin has a high volatility (ease with which a liquid can turn into a gas) relative to similar nerve agents, therefore inhalation can be very dangerous and even vapor concentrations may immediately penetrate the skin. A person’s clothing can release sarin for about 30 minutes after it has come in contact with sarin gas, which can lead to exposure of other people.

[Al Massey]

So all that BBC footage showing the people being treated for Sarin, the guys attempting to help the "victims" should have been suited up with breathing apparatus yet they weren't. So it can't have been Sarin...right?

 

Taken from Wikipedia

 

I'll have to look at the BBC footage but anyone who isn't in protective clothing and respirator are playing a dangerous game.

[Al Massey]

The more I look into this, the less it appears it was Sarin gas or dropped via munitions.

The death toll doesn't add up, the people helping doesn't add up.

 

I actually suspect that Russia were right in that it was a chemical weapon manufacturing plant blown up.

Probably a known manufacturing plant deliberately blown up to stop the rebels and this is the aftermath.

[Al Massey]

Ok I've seen a few more videos now from different media.

 

It does appear a nerve agent was used.

However, I'm doubtful it was from munitions since the casualties seem low and the people, especially the white helmets running around trying to treat people by performing CPR and washing with just water.

[Dnk]

Could it be they only had water and simply reacted with whatever they had to hand ?

[Al Massey]

Could it be they only had water and simply reacted with whatever they had to hand ?

 

Well Sarin does with react with water, and will start to breakdown, but I would never recommend touching them, taking off clothes and doing CPR, which apparently a lot of doctors and the white helmets were advising people to do.