Chris Wilson Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 To a Christian breakfast club gathering today, a small excerpt of his speech below, President Trump sounded like a Mafia don about to sort a challenge to his turf out....! So what do the panel think of his first few days in office, it's been a whirlwind and quite unlike any other president's first few days I can recall. ######################################## "Freedom of religion is a sacred right, but it is also a right under threat all around us, and the world is under serious, serious threat in so many different ways. And I've never seen it so much and so openly as since I took the position of president. The world is in trouble, but we're going to straighten it out. OK? That's what I do. I fix things. We're going to straighten it out. (APPLAUSE) Believe me. When you hear about the tough phone calls I'm having, don't worry about it. Just don't worry about it. They're tough. We have to be tough. It's time we're going to be a little tough folks. We're taken advantage of by every nation in the world virtually. It's not going to happen any more. It's not going to happen any more. We have seen unimaginable violence carried out in the name of religion. Acts of wantonness (ph) (inaudible) just minorities. Horrors on a scale that defy description. Terrorism is a fundamental threat to religious freedom. It must be stopped and it will be stopped. It may not be pretty for a little while. It will be stopped. We have seen... (APPLAUSE) And by the way, General, as you know James "Mad Dog", shouldn't say it in this room, Mattis, now there's a reason they call him "Mad Dog" Mattis, never lost a battle, always wins them, and always wins them fast. He's our new secretary of Defense, will be working with Rex. He's right now in South Korea, going to Japan, going to some other spots. I'll tell you what, I've gotten to know him really well. He's the real deal. We have somebody who's the real deal working for us and that's what we need. So, you watch. You just watch. " ################################## Different, quite different to Obama.... Oh and a quote from "Mad Dog" Mattis: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Don't patronize the enemy. They mean business. They mean every word they say. They're killing us now. Their will is not broken, They mean it. ... If they're there, your job is to kill them all. I did not want to have them just retreat and have to fight them all over again." Maj. Gen. James Mattis, USMC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I think allowing religious groups to fund political parties is incredibly dangerous. Religion and politics are the worst combination imaginable, just look at the Middle East and Africa for examples of how terrible this tends to be. I imagine there is going to be a change to abortion law in the US, which is a huge step backwards. I dont blame Trump though, people could see what he was and still voted for him. I blame the Democrats, who were so arrogant that they completely dismissed the obvious public mood, and ran with one of the worst candidates possible. A more conservative, charismatic, and slightly unorthodox democrat candidate would have wiped the floor with Trump. I don't think Sanders could have, the demographics were stacked against him with the electoral college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Bill Clinton said this in 1995 and received a standing ovation yet Donald Trump says it in 2017 and media calls him a racist. Make of that what you will. [video=youtube;5ybdXRAS-d8] The problem is the liberals are far too liberal. Liberalism is all about appearances, not outcomes. What matters to liberals is how being a liberalist makes them feel about themselves, not whether it works or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_GT Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 But JK Rowling is "mocking" people who are threatening to burn her books because she is anti-Trump. I think that is the real issue here. Kill me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dim Sum Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 There's always going to be two sides to a story. Only history will tell you if it was a good choice or a bad choice. All we got to do now is just wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I am not a fan by any means of Trump but he cannot have a coffee without the media generating sensational headlines ; The thing is, a lot of whats been said about Hillary is actually true. She has benefitted enormously on a personal financial level from politics. The Clinton Foundation is shady, she has received tens of millions of dollars in donations from Goldman Ballsachs etc She represents the establishment and the entire academic, never worked an honest days work in their life intelligensia and mainstream media was behind her. If you research it, you will find that just as many lies were spread about Trump. But just as with Brexit, to unquestioningly swallow what our biased media says about the core issues in this election and to think this was an anti-Hillary vote is to completely miss the point. This vote is entirely about the multi-decade undermining of the middle classes in America by the establishment through globalisation. America was once the bastion of Global improvement in peoples standards of living. Generation upon generation built on what came before until about the 70's. They worked hard and respected honest success and didn't begrudge a wealthy person their riches, but actually aspired to be like them. But then Free Trade started to occur and the rich who already had more money than they could ever spend discovered they get could get even more and become obnoxiously rich beyond imagining by firing American workers and "outsourcing" jobs to slave factories in countries with no respect for labour laws or human rights. This lead to a multi decade stagnation and even decline in inflation adjusted median incomes, a downskilling of the US workforce and a loss of status for jobs that once upon a time could give you a reasonable expectation of having a decent life. Inequality has risen dramtically by any measure, with the super wealthy gaining even more influence in Washington. At the same time, banking regulation got lax and lending compensated for the reduction in consumption as the US Consumer and Government started ramping up the borrowing. Ironically, the Government borrowing most from the Chinese who free trade gave them dollars to become the creditor. This has been going on for decades until the manufacturing heartland of America is decimated. These are people with absolutely nothing to lose at this point, and immigration etc is not really a concern for them. Globalisation has been spectacularly bad for US Society as a whole, and this was the anger that Trump tapped into. He is the first poltician I have ever heard who openly discussed these things and laid it out in a frank and understandable manner. He even shamelessly admitted to doing these things himself. Now whether he can fix it is another matter; but most people who have been affected by this don't care. He has acknowledged what they know to be true, and Hillary just represents the establishment that has them there in the first place, that comes around every four years with platitudes and goes away and does nothing. She is backed by the Banks, by hedge fund managers that buy $44m pads in the Hamptons and demolish them to create even greater obscenities while pretending to be left wing. Trump is wealthy but he doesn't pretend to be something else. Trump does not act presidential or portrait the image of a president but he looks like the first politician to at least act on his promises for good or worse , we are hearing terms 'impeached ' daily in the media , stinks of the "Establishment" trying to discredit him ,Trump is a 2 finger finger salute to the "Establishment" Incidentally, given that we have had 8 years of a democrat in power, this has to be seen as an indictment of Obamas term in office too. I saw some of the numbers and Trump did better among Blacks and Hispanics and also religious conservatives than Romney, a god-fearing, non drinking or smoking anti abortionist did. That tells you something. Am I scared he his ego will pull the trigger on something sinister , yes ; am I intrigued how an ANTI - Establishment president will perform , Yes , Do I think Trump who ANTI - Establishment agenda is apocryphal, of course but by god it is exciting ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I don't agree with his travel ban, especially from Iraq, but by the looks of it he is actually implementing the wishes of his electorate: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/02/polls-widespread-backing-trump-travel-ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Incidentally, given that we have had 8 years of a democrat in power, this has to be seen as an indictment of Obamas term in office too. I saw some of the numbers and Trump did better among Blacks and Hispanics and also religious conservatives than Romney, a god-fearing, non drinking or smoking anti abortionist did. That tells you something. Absolutely, Obama was a terrible president. Sure, he is undoubtedly a world class orator, but he was weak, and offered little leadership. Inequality has risen exponentially under his leadership, and he presided over a period which created the atmosphere in which someone like Trump could come to power. And to cap it all off, he expanded the use of executive orders, which has ironically given Trump free reign. Lets hope the Democrats can actually learn from this, and not implode like our Labour party has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Yep Jellybean as you said, whether you like him or not, he's the only politician who is actually doing what he said he would do before being elected, after he's BEEN elected. You can't knock him for that. His travel ban, I don't think he's thought it through properly, and maybe that's the worry, he doesn't think it through enough before speaking and acting on his thoughts. Bit like a child really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Yep Jellybean as you said, whether you like him or not, he's the only politician who is actually doing what he said he would do before being elected, after he's BEEN elected. You can't knock him for that. His travel ban, I don't think he's thought it through properly, and maybe that's the worry, he doesn't think it through enough before speaking and acting on his thoughts. Bit like a child really! He actually copied obamas policy but for less of a timescale, I think he did it to prove people are dead set against him even when he does what his predecessor had done previously and no one protested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I don't agree with his travel ban, especially from Iraq, but by the looks of it he is actually implementing the wishes of his electorate: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/02/polls-widespread-backing-trump-travel-ban How many 911 Terrorists where Saudi , 15 of the 19 you say , they are banned right ? Yeah about that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I don't understand why everybody in the UK is getting in such a hiss about it, it's not the UK it's America, they can do as they wish. However. for the first time in history an elected person is actually doing what they say in their campaign straight off and people are losing their shit, why? I wish our politicians were as honest and forthcoming. Nobody moaned when Obama blocked iraqi's in his time. The travel ban is only while they put in place "proper" immigration bills and how to handle people from these countries, not just letting them in with a quick esta or rushed visa. It's not like they are banning them permanently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I don't understand why everybody in the UK is getting in such a hiss about it, it's not the UK it's America, they can do as they wish. However. for the first time in history an elected person is actually doing what they say in their campaign straight off and people are losing their shit, why? I wish our politicians were as honest and forthcoming. Nobody moaned when Obama blocked iraqi's in his time. The travel ban is only while they put in place "proper" immigration bills and how to handle people from these countries, not just letting them in with a quick esta or rushed visa. It's not like they are banning them permanently. That's what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Why everybody in the UK is getting in such a hiss about it Ethically and morally what Trump is doing raises alot of questions , he incites hate, mass deportation UK may have to choose , Trump or the EU; Trump , "How to Lose Friends & Alienate People" , he is a Narcissist The people he surrounds himself with, does not invoke confidence , it generates Fear There are many comparable traits between Hitler and Trumps rhetoric, rhetorical marginalisation of groups, lifestyles and beliefs; they promise a new vision of leadership. The existing political systems as fundamentally corrupt, incompetent, and, most importantly, unable to generate decisive action in the face of pressing problems. Trump is now targeting Sanctuary Cities , hiring additional 10K Customs officers , few months you will see deportation figures dramatically increase! He is targeting Law abiding people living there for 20+ years with Families not just criminals , alot of fear in America right now Worldwide I can see why people are concerned , it does not take much of an imagination what a person who responds through their amygdala can do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 The US Treasury Department announced the measures against 13 people and a dozen companies on Friday. President Donald Trump tweeted earlier: "Iran is playing with fire - they don't appreciate how 'kind' President Obama was to them. Not me!" But Iran has said it will not yield to "useless" American threats from "an inexperienced person". Some of the newly sanctioned groups are based in the United Arab Emirates, Lebanon and China. The measures come a day after President Trump said "nothing is off the table" in dealing with Iran. But Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif tweeted on Friday that the Islamic Republic was unmoved by US threats. He said Iran had no intention of using its military against any country, except in self-defence. "Will never initiate war, but we can only rely on our own means of defence," Mr Zarif wrote. On Thursday, a bipartisan group of more than a dozen US senators wrote to Mr Trump, urging "full enforcement of existing sanctions and the imposition of additional sanctions on Iran for its ballistic missile program". "Iranian leaders must feel sufficient pressure to cease deeply destabilizing activities, from sponsoring terrorist groups to continued testing of ballistic missiles," the group wrote. I'm off to the garden to build an Anderson Shelter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I'm off to the garden to build an Anderson Shelter Why? What's the difference when North Korea does it? Sanctions, it's not really any different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Why? What's the difference when North Korea does it? Sanctions, it's not really any different. It. Was. A. Joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 It. Was. A. Joke. Devils' Advocate you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MaveriK Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I don't understand why everybody in the UK is getting in such a hiss about it, it's not the UK it's America, they can do as they wish. However. for the first time in history an elected person is actually doing what they say in their campaign straight off and people are losing their shit, why? I wish our politicians were as honest and forthcoming. Nobody moaned when Obama blocked iraqi's in his time. The travel ban is only while they put in place "proper" immigration bills and how to handle people from these countries, not just letting them in with a quick esta or rushed visa. It's not like they are banning them permanently. Because we have far too many butthurt lefties looking for something to bitch about and if its not them its the establishment not wanting to rock the boat. President Trump getting in and Brexit are the residents sticking two fingers up to the system that seems to put them second. And wasnt it a few weeks ago a free trade deal with the yanks was the best thing since sliced bread?, now its lets alienate their top geezer because he did something he promised to do, bunch of retards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Why everybody in the UK is getting in such a hiss about it Ethically and morally what Trump is doing raises alot of questions , he incites hate, mass deportation UK may have to choose , Trump or the EU; Trump , "How to Lose Friends & Alienate People" , he is a Narcissist The people he surrounds himself with, does not invoke confidence , it generates Fear There are many comparable traits between Hitler and Trumps rhetoric, rhetorical marginalisation of groups, lifestyles and beliefs; they promise a new vision of leadership. The existing political systems as fundamentally corrupt, incompetent, and, most importantly, unable to generate decisive action in the face of pressing problems. Trump is now targeting Sanctuary Cities , hiring additional 10K Customs officers , few months you will see deportation figures dramatically increase! He is targeting Law abiding people living there for 20+ years with Families not just criminals , alot of fear in America right now Worldwide I can see why people are concerned , it does not take much of an imagination what a person who responds through their amygdala can do! While all this may be true,he has not yet authorised war in any middle east countries like his predecessors killing thousands of people.I say wait a bit longer and see how things go,at least in America and UK we are allowed to protest should we feel the need ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Why? What's the difference when North Korea does it? Sanctions, it's not really any different. Iran got a lot of oil and no one is really sure if they got nukes or not. North Korea got F*A and millions of military personnel + nukes. That's why North Korea is under "sanctions". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Why is it ok for 16 Muslim nations to ban all travel for Israelis to their countries but not ok for Trump to temporarily ban travel to 7 Muslim nations from Obamas list?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoGlE Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Because the media is truthful and honest in every way. And if hate needs to be incited it will be. The weak closed minded people will listen to what they're told without question. "Plugged in" or something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Why is it ok for 16 Muslim nations to ban all travel for Israelis to their countries but not ok for Trump to temporarily ban travel to 7 Muslim nations from Obamas list?? Here is your answer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB1w3gg9Pxc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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