supra_aero Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Your wheels are advan avs model 5s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulcrum2000 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Thanks so much I'll get some spigots ordered then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burna Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 under bonnet rust removing and of course a full professional anti rust job done underneath. I knew I'd pay about 500 quid for this More like £4000 for a proper job mate, trust me I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_aero Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Infact your wheels seem to be earlier version of model 5s as your spokes dont fully extend to edge. That or its a v close replica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulcrum2000 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I've already had a quote from the Rust-Busters for under body, they're the best i the county as far as all the mechanics I bothered about it so I'll see what they do but I reckon £500 is a decent price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burna Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I've already had a quote from the Rust-Busters for under body, they're the best i the county as far as all the mechanics I bothered about it so I'll see what they do but I reckon £500 is a decent price I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the work they do and the different stages of treatment they use, and especially the rust treatment, and finally what product they finish the car with to protect it going forth. For the price it just sounds to me that they are just rubbing it down, treating it maybe, then coating the lot, and not removing any parts. I've been meaning to start a restoration thread for mine to document the recent work I've had done, and mainly to keep it as a record for myself of the on going work. But in short I had it done very differently to the way they are doing it by the sounds of it. I had everything underneath removed from the front bulkhead back, including the rear subframe, and rear bumper. Whole underneath removed of the original factory underseal and thoroughly cleaned, before having a three stage rust treatment, rust prevention, and upol raptor protection. Every part from the front bulkhead back replaced with new from Toyota, including every nut and bolt. Not cheap, Toyota parts alone were over £2000, but it does mean everything is now brand new and I never have to go back to that area again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the work they do and the different stages of treatment they use, and especially the rust treatment, and finally what product they finish the car with to protect it going forth. For the price it just sounds to me that they are just rubbing it down, treating it maybe, then coating the lot, and not removing any parts. I've been meaning to start a restoration thread for mine to document the recent work I've had done, and mainly to keep it as a record for myself of the on going work. But in short I had it done very differently to the way they are doing it by the sounds of it. I had everything underneath removed from the front bulkhead back, including the rear subframe, and rear bumper. Whole underneath removed of the original factory underseal and thoroughly cleaned, before having a three stage rust treatment, rust prevention, and upol raptor protection. Every part from the front bulkhead back replaced with new from Toyota, including every nut and bolt. Not cheap, Toyota parts alone were over £2000, but it does mean everything is now brand new and I never have to go back to that area again Well he's obviously not having anything like that done, but if everything is structurally sound then cleaning, rubbing down and coating will slow everything down and preserve it? I think what you've done with yours is the top notch, no expense spared method, a kind of bite the bullet get it done so yes you can forget about everything under there bar some periodic jetwashing/cleaning. That's fair enough but I don't think you can blame others for going for a lower cost/lower longevity option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burna Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Well he's obviously not having anything like that done, but if everything is structurally sound then cleaning, rubbing down and coating will slow everything down and preserve it? I think what you've done with yours is the top notch, no expense spared method, a kind of bite the bullet get it done so yes you can forget about everything under there bar some periodic jetwashing/cleaning. That's fair enough but I don't think you can blame others for going for a lower cost/lower longevity option. I'm not knocking anything that helps preserve, but I personally believe that in the future things like this are going to related heavily to the value of the vehicle. Fulcrum's company he has found at least sound like they are going to do a proper thorough job, with good rust treatment and prevention. But what is starting to gall me is an owner say to me "Yes it's immaculate underneath, I recently had it undercoated" Where you and I know full well that just means someone has just slapped a loud of underseal on, without any prep work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Well it certainly can mean that yes. I know what you mean, both mine are not under sealed anymore than how they came from the factory, but they haven't been in/or used much in this country since coming over. Both have the hard lines and tank covers etc in very good condition and so I've not thought to plaster it in anything to be honest just try and keep it clean and salt free in the spring etc. I need to perhaps think about what to do in the long term, but I'd say in this relatively unprotected state I have many years before I need to consider any major work. We are lucky really in that they don't rust readily, I suspect for all the work done on yours there was no structural issues, mainly cosmetic and some safety issues re corroded fixings/lines etc? I agree that down the line if values continue to climb, then the quality of refurbishments like this will be sought after/demanded in the top end ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulcrum2000 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Yes I am certainly not having what you are having done, it sounds like you're basically rebuilding the bottom end of your car. Hats off to you. I want it repairing and rust removing, injection treatment and preserving of course, but I also want to upgrade the car and as Scooter says you have to weigh up everything as a balance. I have another car so this one wont see many miles and nor will it see harsh weather so it should last many a moon if I get this decent job done and then as it ages all the underside parts will be replaced as needed anyway. I'd love to see pics of yours completed Burna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blythmrk Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the work they do and the different stages of treatment they use, and especially the rust treatment, and finally what product they finish the car with to protect it going forth. For the price it just sounds to me that they are just rubbing it down, treating it maybe, then coating the lot, and not removing any parts. I've been meaning to start a restoration thread for mine to document the recent work I've had done, and mainly to keep it as a record for myself of the on going work. But in short I had it done very differently to the way they are doing it by the sounds of it. I had everything underneath removed from the front bulkhead back, including the rear subframe, and rear bumper. Whole underneath removed of the original factory underseal and thoroughly cleaned, before having a three stage rust treatment, rust prevention, and upol raptor protection. Every part from the front bulkhead back replaced with new from Toyota, including every nut and bolt. Not cheap, Toyota parts alone were over £2000, but it does mean everything is now brand new and I never have to go back to that area again Very interesting thread! I like to do things right your on my wave length 2k seems very cheap on parts I suppose you didn't replace all the rear suspension arms etc. And new subframes are discontinued anyway! I am currently refurbishing the rear end of my UK tt6 (I have already done the floor pan and sills and half of the rear wheel arches) I am interested why remove all the toyota under seal? as the really thick rubbery texture on the floor pans etc has not moved, cracked or showing any sign of decay I have removed little bits by mistake sometimes my point is why disturb good clean protection rather than simply adding a layer of extra protection?. If there is corrosion I take the affected area back down to bare metal (I have not found anything more than surface corrosion) until all corrosion is gone then I treat the bare metal areas with dinotrol then several layers of paint and stone guard. I always strip everything off completely when carrying out any type of paint work as I really do not see the point in under sealing everything it just looks a mess I like an oem look. I am replacing the complete subframe with either a powder coated and poly bushed one or a good as new one with mint suspension arms etc. Also new rear wheel bearings, hand brake cables, brake sheild guards, oem drop links. I have had my super dragger (back box masked off with several layers of signage vinyl so the back box is still polished stainless) and exhaust heat Sheilds shot blasted and refinished as appropriate. All bolts either dipped in the magic rust remover stuff treated with rust remover and painted or replaced with new oem items. What I cannot believe is every bolt comes undone I know it's s toyota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burna Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Very interesting thread! I like to do things right your on my wave length�� 2k seems very cheap on parts I suppose you didn't replace all the rear suspension arms etc. And new subframes are discontinued anyway! I am currently refurbishing the rear end of my UK tt6 (I have already done the floor pan and sills and half of the rear wheel arches) I am interested why remove all the toyota under seal? as the really thick rubbery texture on the floor pans etc has not moved, cracked or showing any sign of decay I have removed little bits by mistake sometimes my point is why disturb good clean protection rather than simply adding a layer of extra protection?. If there is corrosion I take the affected area back down to bare metal (I have not found anything more than surface corrosion) until all corrosion is gone then I treat the bare metal areas with dinotrol then several layers of paint and stone guard. I always strip everything off completely when carrying out any type of paint work as I really do not see the point in under sealing everything it just looks a mess I like an oem look. I am replacing the complete subframe with either a powder coated and poly bushed one or a good as new one with mint suspension arms etc. Also new rear wheel bearings, hand brake cables, brake sheild guards, oem drop links. I have had my super dragger (back box masked off with several layers of signage vinyl so the back box is still polished stainless) and exhaust heat Sheilds shot blasted and refinished as appropriate. All bolts either dipped in the magic rust remover stuff treated with rust remover and painted or replaced with new oem items. What I cannot believe is every bolt comes undone I know it's s toyota�� We didn't touch the rear subframe, just removed it to gain access to the fuel and brake lines. The rear subframe is a bit cruddy, but just surface rust, and will all be replaced with everything new in the future, but while it's all good at the moment it's at the bottom of the list, but to be done before a full respray of the car. As I said previously, the parts replaced for new were everything from the from bulkhead back, and I mean everything, including all five new fuel and brake lines. Fuel tank cover and all the straps and fixings, all the heat shields, every nut and bolt, the list just goes on and on. I will put up the full list in the thread I eventually get around to doing to document it all. I decided to have all the old underseal removed as I wanted a blank canvass and for the car to be fully rust treated and have rust prevention applied for the future. Also I wanted the complete underside coated with Upol Raptor for added future protection, and didn't want to be doing a hash job of just coating over old original underseal. The Upol Raptor really does give an amazing finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Hatter Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I actually bought this car. And yes it certainly does need professional rust treatment underneath and it did need a few other parts replacing and the interior will be renewed over time but I think speaking as someone who is on his third Supra and actually buys them because there's just no other car like them and out of a sheer passion for owning one, I think you pay for your pleasures in life and part of owning a 24 year old car is going to be the adventure of finding new replacement parts and watching it improve over time. If I wanted a car which was as fast and peppy I could have got one for a few grand like an E46 M3 or a N350, the list is endless. but none of them is a Supe. And owning a car which is 'as good as it ever will be' isnt as much fun as one which has almost limitless potential IMO. And yes Supras are getting old now, but they are also one of a tiny number of cars that as they age have become iconic and sought after, so as they get rarer they will eventually become rather valuable I imagine but not reflective on what you spend on them over time. I've already put quite a bit of cash into bringing this up to spec and will continue to do so, anyone thinking a Supra is the way to go for an investment is a brave brave person, there's so many easier ways of making money with cars if thats what floats your boat. For me its being able to drive a Supra and enjoy it. what boost is it running, those manual controllers don't look right ... not the best ebay pics though. hope they've not cooked the turbos. Enjoy it. Hope it doesn't cost you too much to put everything right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blythmrk Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Sounds great post a couple of pics up please. I am doing the fuel and brake lines too the heat Sheilds were very good so just got them refurbished tank guard and straps too the list is endless, the end results will be amazing. To be honest supras are very solid for old cars I remember my mk1 escort 1300 gt 2 door at 25 years old it was very good for an escort but the supras have held up so well in comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 I recall seeing some photos on here of a car that had been under sealed Looked a mess to me and i dont see the point unless you do the job properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theseoldcars Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Got my car done at Rust Busters. Wasn't too impressed. Just looked like it'd been driven through a vat of tar. Lots of peeling afterwards - perhaps because they rushed it, and I drove it home in the rain, but still - looks a bit of a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burna Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Sounds great post a couple of pics up please. I am doing the fuel and brake lines too the heat Sheilds were very good so just got them refurbished tank guard and straps too the list is endless, the end results will be amazing. To be honest supras are very solid for old cars I remember my mk1 escort 1300 gt 2 door at 25 years old it was very good for an escort but the supras have held up so well in comparison�� To save cluttering this thread, I'll put up all the photographs of the various stages in my restoration thread when I get round to doing it very soon Edit: Added some photos of the Upol Raptor finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 You've sold me Burna, I'll be going down this line I reckon I've got all new arms, rods, bushes etc. sitting here from Toyota so may as well get the full resto done at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 To save cluttering this thread, I'll put up all the photographs of the various stages in my restoration thread when I get round to doing it very soon Edit: Added some photos of the Upol Raptor finish. That looks the dogs danglies Paul, was the car off the road for a long time whilst the work was carried out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulcrum2000 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I got rid of their 'turbo toys' under the bonnet and its running fine now, turbos are perfect. I've had it all checked out and it seems mechanically strong just need to deal with the rust and move on to BPU when its sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulcrum2000 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Got my car done at Rust Busters. Wasn't too impressed. Just looked like it'd been driven through a vat of tar. Lots of peeling afterwards - perhaps because they rushed it, and I drove it home in the rain, but still - looks a bit of a mess. I've heard nothing but good things about them from everywhere I ask, do you reckon it was all the water skiiing you did on the way home or did they bodge it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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