blythmrk Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I know probably a very silly question but 15 years ago when looking for a supra i test drove a 2000 w reg n/a vvti 6 speed I think! It was completely stock black paint, 16" oem wheels, cloth interior and only 15k kilometres! & £15k And absolutely perfect I really wanted it but my mates said stick to looking for a UK TT6 which I did as the TT power with all the UK spec attracted me and still does and back then I couldn't afford to upgrade all the items , wheels, brakes to UK spec, leather etc. but I have never forgoten the way it performed and the way it revved really freely and pretty high too to be honest it felt as quick off the line as my UK TT6. I know probably ultra rare or are they common as I just never see them? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X13mgr Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Ye there was NA 6speed. Very rare mind. I think only late facelift modals. Sure someone will verify this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_GT Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Possibly only post 1999 or 2000 facelift N/A's had the 6 speed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Can be from 1996, basically any facelift SZ-R, which has a seperate model number to the regular SZ which can be auto or 5 speed. Only vvti's in a few late American cars I think and not sure their na's ever got 6 speed boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blythmrk Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Can be from 1996, basically any facelift SZ-R, which has a seperate model number to the regular SZ which can be auto or 5 speed. Only vvti's in a few late American cars I think and not sure their na's ever got 6 speed boxes. Thanks for your replies. I am 100% positive it was a hard top n/a vvti 6 speed jdm import as if it was a TT it would have been 20k+ at the time. So it might have been one that slipped through the net I wonder what it would be worth now! I am going to look into it more I would ask the dealer but they no longer exist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike2JZ Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 No JDM non turbo supra's came with a VVTI version of the 2JZGE. 6 speed box on the other hand are rare but possible to found on a non turbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Toyota never made a 6 speed n.a. vvti. The various n.a. types are listed above, or someone could have dropped a vvti lump into a regular car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 People didn't think there was a UK spec in MSB from the factory with 1A1 on the VIN but there was... So couldn't there be a small possibility of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8KILR Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Highly unlikely. The USA never got an NA 6 speed Supra (they did have the VVTi 2JZGE though) and Japan never put the VVTi 2JZGE engine in a Supra, only the 2JZGTE VVTi (Sept 97 onwards). As mentioned, it could be an aftermarket swap. Check out my Japanese Supra brochure collection with every year from 1993 to 2002 for details on every Mkiv Japanese Supra made. http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/specs.htm#BROCHURES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blythmrk Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 People didn't think there was a UK spec in MSB from the factory with 1A1 on the VIN but there was... So couldn't there be a small possibility of this? Hi all thanks for your replies. I do think it was genuine and not converted! It's a long time ago so it's probably gone to the scrap yard in the sky. Are there any pics of the UK car in msb? Is it still around and is it in the club? All these unique/rare cars make my Std UK TT6's seem common as! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 It was rumoured to have been owned by Jim Bowen of bullseye fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8KILR Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 People didn't think there was a UK spec in MSB from the factory with 1A1 on the VIN but there was... So couldn't there be a small possibility of this? BTW, according to the European Supra VIN info, there were 6 RHD Europe spec Supras made with the 1A1 paint and 47 made in Europe spec in LHD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blythmrk Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 BTW, according to the European Supra VIN info, there were 6 RHD Europe spec Supras made with the 1A1 paint and 47 made in Europe spec in LHD. I only get 4 European spec'd 1A1 (which includes UK) with a 2JZGTE hardtop all 1993 all auto. So if the car I looked at was a vvti n/a it is still classed as a 2JZ GE? It's going to puzzle me for a long time probably forever! So nobody knows what happened to the UK spec RHD MSB 1A1 supra I have read the old threads on here about it many people viewed the car but nobody seemed to buy it! Thanks Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 With almost 100% certainty, there was never a factory 6 speed vvti n.a.. A vvti 2jz-ge is still a 2jz-ge, as found in the Lexus gs300 and is300. There is also a 2jz-fse found in some Japanese cars (not supras), a direct injection model of the 2jz made for efficiency and economy. Over the years I have literally looked at thousands of Supras, including ones for sale in Japan which I check regularly. Even the very late 2002 n.a. Supras from Japan don't have vvti. I have seen one vvti na engine retrofitted to a car in the UK in that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraLEDrears Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 My ,ate had a six speed na from factory. sold it for 4k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blythmrk Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 With almost 100% certainty, there was never a factory 6 speed vvti n.a.. A vvti 2jz-ge is still a 2jz-ge, as found in the Lexus gs300 and is300. There is also a 2jz-fse found in some Japanese cars (not supras), a direct injection model of the 2jz made for efficiency and economy. Over the years I have literally looked at thousands of Supras, including ones for sale in Japan which I check regularly. Even the very late 2002 n.a. Supras from Japan don't have vvti. I have seen one vvti na engine retrofitted to a car in the UK in that time. Was it black by any chance? I just recall how harsh this car pulled and revved very high (like my old ae86 7500-8000rpm) but was or seemed completely stock and factory fresh (if it was converted it was impeccable) I am beginning to wonder if it was a tt vvti 6 speed but I am 99.9% sure it was an n/a as you didn't get the rush from the turbos or hear them! I really wanted to hear they exist but rare. As always great information and knowledge on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraLEDrears Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Was it black by any chance? I just recall how harsh this car pulled and revved very high (like my old ae86 7500-8000rpm) but was or seemed completely stock and factory fresh (if it was converted it was impeccable) I am beginning to wonder if it was a tt vvti 6 speed but I am 99.9% sure it was an n/a as you didn't get the rush from the turbos or hear them! I really wanted to hear they exist but rare. As always great information and knowledge on here! The one in the North East was black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8KILR Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I only get 4 European spec'd 1A1 (which includes UK) with a 2JZGTE hardtop all 1993 all auto. So if the car I looked at was a vvti n/a it is still classed as a 2JZ GE? It's going to puzzle me for a long time probably forever! So nobody knows what happened to the UK spec RHD MSB 1A1 supra I have read the old threads on here about it many people viewed the car but nobody seemed to buy it! Thanks Mark My info is from ToyoDiy.com. The 6 RHD Euro spec ones with 1A1 paint code are: 199305 JT164JA800002290 2JZGTE Auto http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/q?vin=JT164JA800002290 199305 JT164JA800003205 2JZGTE 6 spd http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/q?vin=JT164JA800003205 199305 JT164JA800003310 2JZGTE Auto http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/q?vin=JT164JA800003310 199305 JT164JA800003369 2JZGTE Auto http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/q?vin=JT164JA800003369 199308 JT164JA800007920 2JZGTE 6 spd http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/q?vin=JT164JA800007920 199311 JT164JA800015114 2JZGTE 6 spd http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/q?vin=JT164JA800015114 There are also 47 LHD 1A1 cars. Unfortunately for the VIN information, there is no mention of VVTi or not, so the 2JZGE VVTI you saw may remain a mystery forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Was it black by any chance? I just recall how harsh this car pulled and revved very high (like my old ae86 7500-8000rpm) but was or seemed completely stock and factory fresh (if it was converted it was impeccable) I am beginning to wonder if it was a tt vvti 6 speed but I am 99.9% sure it was an n/a as you didn't get the rush from the turbos or hear them! I really wanted to hear they exist but rare. As always great information and knowledge on here! Vvti revs to 7250rpm. But it wouldn't feel that much different from a non vvti car, I suspect it will have been a turbo car. The stock turbos are very linear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blythmrk Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 With almost 100% certainty, there was never a factory 6 speed vvti n.a.. A vvti 2jz-ge is still a 2jz-ge, as found in the Lexus gs300 and is300. There is also a 2jz-fse found in some Japanese cars (not supras), a direct injection model of the 2jz made for efficiency and economy. Over the years I have literally looked at thousands of Supras, including ones for sale in Japan which I check regularly. Even the very late 2002 n.a. Supras from Japan don't have vvti. I have seen one vvti na engine retrofitted to a car in the UK in that time. Sorry slight thread resurrection but this is still nagging me, then I have found this car in the US for sale completely untouched and it clearly states VVT-I in the cam shaft cover its an auto and a 1997/98! This more confirms my thoughts are correct that I test drove a 2001 VVTI 6 speed na! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeiretto Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Sorry slight thread resurrection but this is still nagging me, then I have found this car in the US for sale completely untouched and it clearly states VVT-I in the cam shaft cover its an auto and a 1997/98! [ATTACH=CONFIG]219778[/ATTACH] This more confirms my thoughts are correct that I test drove a 2001 VVTI 6 speed na! It's an American car though, and as stated before America did get the VVTI N/A engines in 1998 but Japan didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Per post 9# I think the americans were the only ones to get an NA VVTI, so if you can find a pic of a right hand drive one you were right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I reckon it was a TT, you just didn't hoof it hard enough and missed out on buying a great car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blythmrk Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 I reckon it was a TT, you just didn't hoof it hard enough and missed out on buying a great car I bought a 93 red uk tt6 instead:d Even better I still own it 16 years later. It seems that the USA only got VVTI's unless a few late JDM n/a's get VVTI's too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supragal Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Wish I still had mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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