Set of very good 'Pure Sport' mats on eBay.

[j_jza80]

How much did you value your car at last year, how much do you value it at now, and how do you justify the difference? The TT6 market hasn't seen that increase in a year. It has seen it over the last 2 years.

[rider]

Well we are heading into the insurance section here. Last year my agreed value insurance level was £12k. As things stand today, I'll be looking to raise the agreed value insurance cover to £22 to £24k in May next year for my TT6. All I do is print off ads showing similar value for usually kitted and blinged cars and say look at my stock example, isn't it a fantastic matching numbers example of the most desirable variant within the Supra model line up and look what these modified cars are being advertised for. Never had any insurance broker or company do anything but sign off with my valuation.

[Dnk]

Insurance value isn't a retail value though.

 

I have my Range Rover on a classic agreed value policy at £30,000 but doubt i'd get that for it if i put it up

for sale, maybe in a few years it'll get there.

[rider]

Absolutely, the insurance value is your replacement cost rather than your retail price. Though they both, naturally, are relative figures where if one goes up so does the other and vice versa.

[j_jza80]

Well we are heading into the insurance section here. Last year my agreed value insurance level was £12k. As things stand today, I'll be looking to raise the agreed value insurance cover to £22 to £24k in May next year for my TT6. All I do is print off ads showing similar value for usually kitted and blinged cars and say look at my stock example, isn't it a fantastic matching numbers example of the most desirable variant within the Supra model line up and look what these modified cars are being advertised for. Never had any insurance broker or company do anything but sign off with my valuation.

 

You undervalued it before, and £22k is over valuing it now. It was probably worth about £14k-15k at the beginning of this year, and around £17k-£18k now id say. (Looks like a clean car but it's hard to tell from pics) thing is pre facelift J specs are not really what investors will be looking for, those will either be lhd cars, UK specs, and the sportier vvti manual facelift cars, especially late model RZ which came with many of the desirable extras.

 

Don't forget, the last couple of years have been fairly exceptional too. While it looks like values will carry on increasing, There's no guarantees. Interest rates are about to start climbing noticeably, which will undermine the classic car market to an extent.

[rider]

So you'd be at £22k in 6 months time as well then. I haven't seen the price/desirability difference pre facelift to vvti cars that you have, lots of the top Yen cars in Japan at the moment are the early cars. The vvti for me would be less desirable being an interference engine but that's a personal call.

[Mike2JZ]

So you'd be at £22k in 6 months time as well then. I haven't seen the price/desirability difference pre facelift to vvti cars that you have, lots of the top Yen cars in Japan at the moment are the early cars. The vvti for me would be less desirable being an interference engine but that's a personal call.

 

You talk so much rubbish sometimes. 1JZ and 2JZ GTE VVTI's are non interferance from the factory.

[j_jza80]

So you'd be at £22k in 6 months time as well then. I haven't seen the price/desirability difference pre facelift to vvti cars that you have, lots of the top Yen cars in Japan at the moment are the early cars. The vvti for me would be less desirable being an interference engine but that's a personal call.

 

Don't know where you're looking, none of the pre facelift cars come anywhere near the 2002 vvti cars:

 

http://www.goo-net-exchange.com/php/search/summary.php

 

http://www.carsensor.net/usedcar/freeword/supra/index.html?SORT=21

 

http://www.carsensor.net/usedcar/detail/CU4855971852/index.html?TRCD=200002

 

Also, you can't base future increases on past trends. Single turbo cars hit a ceiling in the UK a few years ago that they haven't really been able to get past, so if what you're suggesting is true, general stock 6 speed TTs will have to overtake well spec'd singles in value. That doesn't even happen in Japan. Unless your car is mega low mileage with provable history?

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[Mike2JZ]

Don't know where you're looking, none of the pre facelift cars come anywhere near the 2002 vvti cars:

 

http://www.goo-net-exchange.com/php/search/summary.php

 

http://www.carsensor.net/usedcar/freeword/supra/index.html?SORT=21

 

http://www.carsensor.net/usedcar/detail/CU4855971852/index.html?TRCD=200002

 

Also, you can't base future increases on past trends. Single turbo cars hit a ceiling in the UK a few years ago that they haven't really been able to get past, so if what you're suggesting is true, general stock 6 speed TTs will have to overtake well spec'd singles in value. That doesn't even happen in Japan. Unless your car is mega low mileage with provable history?

 

Don't worry someone is going to buy his knackered chassis for 60k in 60 years from now cause it has the right vins. Playing the super long game on this one.

[rider]

For what its worth I do think original TT6s will overtake in money terms single modded cars in the near future. Will people really want to keep on updating a 20 year soon to be 30 year old car with big money mods and upgrades or will they just break the current ones and sell the parts including the shell as often happens already and go instead for a modern chassis and drive train over some piece of ancient technology in a pretty body?

[j_jza80]

I take it you're aware that the only reason these cars are as revered as they are now is because they are among the best platforms for tuning? The value of some cars with less tuning pedigree, such as Jaguar E Types, isn't harmed by decent quality, sympathetic modifications, so I'm not convinced that the value of a car that is only famous because of its tuning potential will be negatively effected. The reason the big spec cars get broken (which doesn't happen so much these days anyway) is that it gets back most of the money spent on parts, nothing to do with its modified vs stock value.

 

And going by what people are still achieving to this day, the old girl still has plenty of life left in here yet.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTD4Mwn5kM4

 

 

 

(skip to 16.45)

 

Still setting records and taking scalps. Not bad for "ancient technology"

[Style]

For what its worth I do think original TT6s will overtake in money terms single modded cars in the near future. Will people really want to keep on updating a 20 year soon to be 30 year old car with big money mods and upgrades or will they just break the current ones and sell the parts including the shell as often happens already and go instead for a modern chassis and drive train over some piece of ancient technology in a pretty body?

 

I think you're slightly underestimating the impact these cars have had on some peoples lives. People will be chasing Supra's for a long time to come yet and few will be interested in boring factory stock examples without the intention of modifying them if the price is right.

 

Look at old Escorts still flying around. They had their slump back in the day where people couldn't get rid of them quickly enough. Now they're incredibly sought after and very rarely in their stock form. Whether it be a 25+ year old Cosworth engine transplant, rally decals or wide bubble arches. People still want them so they can do what they wanted to do to them 40 years ago and never had the time/cash

Edited December 15, 2016 by Style (see edit history)

[evinX]

I've got these sat in my loft.

 

The guy used to work in a toyota dealer and apparently they were in the back of the stock room for years.

 

No idea if they are OEM in the end but they come with everything, hangers and all the fitting hardware.

 

http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/attachment.php?attachmentid=216143&stc=1&d=1481793598

 

Those were produced for Toyota UK and sold by them only a few years back. Never came from the factorys

[Ric]

Those were produced for Toyota UK and sold by them only a few years back. Never came from the factorys

 

Good to know! cheers. could be rare, ish then

[j_jza80]

Those were produced for Toyota UK and sold by them only a few years back. Never came from the factorys

 

Didn't think i'd seen them before, nice mats.

[blythmrk]

For what its worth I do think original TT6s will overtake in money terms single modded cars in the near future. Will people really want to keep on updating a 20 year soon to be 30 year old car with big money mods and upgrades or will they just break the current ones and sell the parts including the shell as often happens already and go instead for a modern chassis and drive train over some piece of ancient technology in a pretty body?

 

Hi Everyone

I am with Rider on this one I think standard is most probably going to be the most desirable in years to come the attention my car gets is simply unbelievable at the side of a modified model. I have exhibited at car shows for 20+ years and the most commented thing in all those years has been look an air box! Now look how wanted and rare they have become.

Supras have always been modified that's why I think the standard cars will increase by a larger percentage.

Also look at the prices of standard bumpers etc. Why because modifying dates standard doesn't even early single turbo cars are old hat now.

I always buy a car for what it is not what it could be if I wanted to go really fast I would buy a GTR (I also own a RS4 again standard)

I am fascinated about the amount of people looking to source a UK 6spd especially standard surely this people seeing the vin plate rarity also what intrigues me is the value as no one is willing to sell it's simply a sellers market not a buyers so I think we are closer than ever to selling for the insurance valuation figure.

I owned a Corolla Ae86 years ago again completely as MrT intended (sold it for £1500) there was one on flebay the other day at 35k again factory standard I have never seen a modified one for anything near that price.

Time will tell.

[Kendo11]

Kind of related post.

 

For anyone that follows the US Supra page on FB there was a discussion about facelift rear lights earlier today.

 

Sellers over there are now charging upwards of $1200 for a pair!

 

What are they going for brand new over here now?

[j_jza80]

Think mine were circa £200 last year. Think I paid £110 for my first set 9 years ago

[Hemanhead]

For what its worth I do think original TT6s will overtake in money terms single modded cars in the near future. Will people really want to keep on updating a 20 year soon to be 30 year old car with big money mods and upgrades or will they just break the current ones and sell the parts including the shell as often happens already and go instead for a modern chassis and drive train over some piece of ancient technology in a pretty body?

 

Mate, the only reason anyone even remotely cares about a stock supra is because they are hoping its a single turbo from all those lovely internet videos they were treated to all these years. Yes single turbo cars get broken but they are always worth more than stock. There was also a member recently that clocked up a bill near 30k if i remember correctly; maintaining his car, including a new gearbox? - Couldn't shift it. Most of the cars on this forum are getting tired, VERY tired and either members lack the collateral or are unwilling to spend whats necessary to bring them upto classic standard, which as seen, isn't much cheaper than going single turbo !

 

All this talk of OEM parts, originality etc etc is the rhetoric of 'investors' not owners and enthusiasts. Those people will soon worry about going for a drive less they impact on the value of their 'investment'. This will have a knock on effect in the club, attendances, dragonball, community input etc. If this is the future we face, how sad indeed.

 

Hope not !

[rider]

All this talk of OEM parts, originality etc etc is the rhetoric of 'investors' not owners and enthusiasts. Those people will soon worry about going for a drive less they impact on the value of their 'investment'. This will have a knock on effect in the club, attendances, dragonball, community input etc. If this is the future we face, how sad indeed.

 

Hope not !

 

You despair too much. Even the e-type jag members get their £100k roadsters out each year and head off for a European tour. There are lots of people who only do shows, does that really make them unenthusiastic owners? I don't think so.

 

You just have two types of owners, those who like to have someone tinker and get some phenomenal BHP out of something that resembles a Supra but then how many of those actually use those cars as daily drivers? Then you have the owner who buys into the marque, appreciated the design that the manufacturer ploughed into the machine and intends to maintain it to the best of their ability. The latter is a real enthusiast and if it only comes out for shows and Sunday drives on a sunny day, that's the owners choice. Its whatever ticks the right boxes which for every individual is unique. Money always follows the marque though and after almost 19 years in the seat of my Supra I've been entirely unenthusiastic, I haven't changed a thing since I bought it in 1998.

[peter richards]

mine is all wrapped up in my now heated garage , increasing in money as we speak .nice to know my mats are worth £155

[Hemanhead]

You despair too much. Even the e-type jag members get their £100k roadsters.

 

You just have two types of owners, those who like to have someone tinker and get some phenomenal BHP out of something that resembles a Supra but then how many of those actually use those cars as daily drivers? Then you have the owner who buys into the marque, appreciated the design that the manufacturer ploughed into the machine and intends to maintain it to the best of their ability. The latter is a real enthusiast and if it only comes out for shows and Sunday drives on a sunny day, that's the owners choice.

 

Theres generally quite a large financial difference between an etype owner and a supra owner though, its actually worth real money, the supra is not, and I cant see it ever getting that high.

 

Id disagree, enthusiast do it for love, rippedbyfear is a good example of this, I dont see that in your posts, motivation is purely financial as are alot of people on the forum these days, I dont blame anyone, the appreciation is free motoring which is great. Modified cars you might think 'resemble' supras, but what are you going to do when you cant get an oem suspension arm anymore, windscreen, seals, brake pads etc, those guys help keep these cars on the road, eventually you will need something, and when you do, not amount of OEM car mats and toyota air fresheners will make it any less modified

[rider]

Could anyone foresee a DB5 reaching £1mn? Or even a humble Toyota 2000 reaching top side of a £1mn as well? Some cars are just destined for silly money and I wouldn't be as dismissive of the Supra prospects as you are. Already there are prices regularly over £50k in USA and even now appearing in Japan ads. Its always going to be a desirable car as any car with film pedigree is and I for one bought mine before it became a cult car. No one buys a nearly new car for 'the money' so I never bought into a Supra because of the smoking YouTube videos that weren't around back then.

 

No one is going to want to buy a car that was heavily modified a decade or more in the past which means the modders will need to keep on spending big money to keep their creation current. Those with the boring stock cars just need to keep them looking good and running good and sit back taking in the view.

 

Here is a forecast from owning my Supra for almost 19 years and having several older classics, stock TT6's are on trend to be fetching in the UK regularly £35k to £45k in the next 7 to 10 years unless there is a general market downturn. The ceiling, that could be anywhere but its going to be pushing the e-types hard all the way and maybe even beyond. So, as an investment that you can have some fun in, a stock TT6 has got fantastic potential and no one can knock a car that will give cost free fun motoring with probably more on top.

[The Raven]

We will all be rich....rich i tell ya!

 

Well apart from me, i have cut holes in mine, blended a body kit and sprayed it two different colors. Ruined...

[j_jza80]

but its going to be pushing the e-types hard all the way and maybe even beyond.

 

On what, crack smoking planet do you live? Please elaborate as to what gives you this impression. FYI, I'm also a member of the E type club