hogmaw Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Let's have our own vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibby Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Trump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve spedd Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Clinton... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I wouldn't vote for any of them, just like I won't vote here anymore. Whichever way you vote, you end up with a load of crooks in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike2JZ Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Neither of them are what I would call true leaders, I can't find anything in common with them or anything remotely inspiring that either has done. They both seem to struggle to say anything that seems remotely genuine when they open their mouths, Clinton is the worst offender of this however, definition of a try hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCK10 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 I wouldn't vote for any of them This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 If anyone thinks Trump is the better option you need your bloody head examining, seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 If anyone thinks Trump is the better option you need your bloody head examining, seriously. Neither is better than the other and can only guess at which would be the less worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 If anyone thinks Trump is the better option you need your bloody head examining, seriously. I'll vote for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonga Spar Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 I'll vote for that Preach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Vote Green!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a98pmalcolm Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Its always between a douche or a turd sandwich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Scary times ahead, wouldn't want either one of them running the country I'm living in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 I wouldn't vote for any of them, just like I won't vote here anymore. Whichever way you vote, you end up with a load of crooks in power. I've always said this, hence thinking a whole new system is needed. Alternative democracy? http://listverse.com/2016/02/10/10-alternatives-to-conventional-liberal-democracy/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 I think the main problem now, evident everywhere, is that so few people get into politics because they believe in a cause. Many just seem to be careerists, who go straight into party political roles from prestigious universities, and those who do have previous non political career experience soon seem to fall into the trap of greed and/or corruption. First thing I'd do is ban all MPs from having second jobs, and ban them from having any contact with media barons, and lobbyists from big business and banks unless in full, scrutinised public view. And how many of these mps have added to their already considerable wealth through tax payer funded second homes? I don't see why someone on £70k a year plus needs tax payer subsidised acccomodation (and transport), especially when it directly contributes to preventing many in our society from owning their own homes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 I've always said this, hence thinking a whole new system is needed. Alternative democracy? http://listverse.com/2016/02/10/10-alternatives-to-conventional-liberal-democracy/ The system as it is, both here in the UK and US and elsewhere is broken. I watched 'Hypernormalisation' recently (it's on BBC iPlayer) and it really hits the nail on the head in saying that the people at the top know everything is broken but absolutely no one has any idea how to fix it, so we just continue towards the abyss. (there are a few good sections explaining Syria, Russia, Trump and so on. I really really recommend it). I don't think there is a simple or easy solution, changing a few things here and there won't work. There's an online book here that you can read for free, by one of the founders of the 'Occupy' movement, that has some good ideas: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/binding-chaos/ But there are no easy, simple answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Risk-on, baby! I've put a little wager on Hillary winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Its always between a douche or a turd sandwich Yup, South Park got it right over 10 years ago Shameful that American politics has got this bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 The system as it is, both here in the UK and US and elsewhere is broken. I watched 'Hypernormalisation' recently (it's on BBC iPlayer) and it really hits the nail on the head in saying that the people at the top know everything is broken but absolutely no one has any idea how to fix it, so we just continue towards the abyss. (there are a few good sections explaining Syria, Russia, Trump and so on. I really really recommend it). I don't think there is a simple or easy solution, changing a few things here and there won't work. There's an online book here that you can read for free, by one of the founders of the 'Occupy' movement, that has some good ideas: https://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/binding-chaos/ But there are no easy, simple answers. Correction. They have no desire to fix it. Why would they change a system that has the tax payer giving them an easy life? Expenses, a second, third home. There is no way they want to change this broken system and that's the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Correction. They have no desire to fix it. Why would they change a system that has the tax payer giving them an easy life? Expenses, a second, third home. There is no way they want to change this broken system and that's the problem you beat me to it, the reason it remains broken is they are all benefiting from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 you beat me to it, the reason it remains broken is they are all benefiting from it. One of the reasons I dislike the EU, and no doubt many Americans feel the same about their Federal Government, is how remote it all is. Brussels / Washington have so much power over hundreds of millions of people, who are hundreds, often thousands of miles away. And their solution to every problem seems to be 'more of the same'. No wonder the populists are heading for power all over the developed world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Its always between a douche or a turd sandwich I see what you did there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 If anyone thinks Trump is the better option you need your bloody head examining, seriously. Thank you for your esteemed medical opinion doctor..... Someone asked what you did for a job earlier, is it a secret? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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