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Article 50 can't be triggered before a parliamentary vote??


Chris Wilson

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Thankfully we didn't just ask accountants to decide our fate with the EU :)

 

Of course not. Nigel-down-the-road knows best!

 

Who would want to trust the fate of the country into the hands of people who're actually paid to give their opinion on economical matters?

 

You know what? Next time I want mortgage advice, mechanical advice, medical advice or legal advice, I'll go to facebook and ask Nigel-down-the-road.

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Of course not. Nigel-down-the-road knows best!

 

Who the fuck would want to trust the fate of the country into the hands of people who're actually paid to give their opinion on economical matters?

 

I think you mean an economist. I wouldn't trust an accountant at all, other than being able to sort out numbers & macros on an excel spreadsheet.

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Of course not. Nigel-down-the-road knows best!

 

Who the fuck would want to trust the fate of the country into the hands of people who're actually paid to give their opinion on economical matters?

 

It wasn't a question of pure economics :) For many people (both leave and remain), the economics of it wasn't first or even second priority.

 

As for Farage, I don't remember him being a part of any of the official campaigns. But i don't see how he is any different, or less trustworthy than equivalent scumbags like Cameron, Corbyn, May etc. At least Farage hasn't spent his career rolling over for every demand from Brussels, bigot or not his views on the EU instituations are 100% accurate.

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Sounds like the start of the plotline of an episode from better call saul :D make sure he/she isn't cooking the books

 

People wear a lot of hats in SME's. :) Sadly ours isn't nearly that interesting.

 

Anyway, I'm not here to argue. I've had this discussion with some scarily intelligent and knowledgeable people, their position is as unanimous as it is damning.

 

You don't take your Supra to Titan, get their professional opinion, and then proceed to ignore it, stick your finger up at them, call them "elite snobs with a vested interest" and walk away.

 

Anyway, let's hope they're wrong, because it's done now.

 

Edit: For the record, I'm just as pissed off as you that parliament even has the capability of overruling a public vote of this scale (even if we all knew the public opinion doesn't formally "decide" anything). It's wrong. That said, we can assume these laws are in place from olden-times to prevent the historically uneducated mass 'peasantry' of bygone centuries from overthrowing the decisions of elected officials. It's ironic that in 2016 this isn't actually that far from the truth.

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Am in business, with a good relationship with our accountant. The certainty of Brexit is much more dangerous to our economy than any uncertainty of Brexit.

 

Abandoning the public's decision however, is more dangerous than both.

 

We ourselves so it's time to chew on the consequences, it'll be interesting to see who we blame for this further down the line, you know, without all those pesky immigrants and so-called-elites calling the shots.

 

That's the second time I've had to do that.

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It does seem to bring out the worst in people, doesn't it? But no, I believe the other one was totally unrelated.

 

Agreed, I think its the worst topic I've ever had to discuss with anyone.. its so divisive and makes me cringe when I hear people give opinion on it :) I usually try to keep politics out of talk as it just puts me off people.

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So what recourse do leave voters have if remain MP's will only approve article 50 by insisting full brexit is somehow diluted to continue open borders etc

 

Voting :)

 

Labour is already facing serious trouble at the next election, they will lose approximately 25 seats due to the boundary changes in 2018, and the polls show them languishing some 18 points behind the Tories. Generally speaking, at this point in the electoral cycle, the opposition would be well ahead. Labour will effectively lose its northern heartlands to the Tories and UKIP if Labour MPs are seen to be blocking Brexit.

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Voting :)

 

Labour is already facing serious trouble at the next election, they will lose approximately 25 seats due to the boundary changes in 2018, and the polls show them languishing some 18 points behind the Tories. Generally speaking, at this point in the electoral cycle, the opposition would be well ahead. Labour will effectively lose its northern heartlands to the Tories and UKIP if Labour MPs are seen to be blocking Brexit.

 

:yeahthat:

 

After the referendum UKIP were no longer needed, but if things go against the result I imagine they will make a come back.

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Voting :)

 

Labour is already facing serious trouble at the next election, they will lose approximately 25 seats due to the boundary changes in 2018, and the polls show them languishing some 18 points behind the Tories. Generally speaking, at this point in the electoral cycle, the opposition would be well ahead. Labour will effectively lose its northern heartlands to the Tories and UKIP if Labour MPs are seen to be blocking Brexit.

 

Remember, its not just Labour MP's that are 'remainers' though. Plus is it good to have a weak opposition that can't question or hold to account the government over things? Regardless or which political party you support, I dont think it is.

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The thing I find funny is that Cameron made the referendum legally binding when parliament made it law to hold a referendum and stated, verbally numerous times and on official publications paid for by the tax payer, "The government will implement what you decide."

 

 

And I loved the comment earlier how "leavers" will claim the pound was over inflated.

So the bank of England and the IMF were leavers?

 

Fairly sure they were remainers and part of the fear factor.

I would call them remoaners, but they seem to be the only ones that lost the vote who are actually doing something about the economy and making Brexit work better.

 

Maybe we should all just sit in the corner and cry till we get our own way on everything?

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Remember, its not just Labour MP's that are 'remainers' though. Plus is it good to have a weak opposition that can't question or hold to account the government over things? Regardless or which political party you support, I dont think it is.

 

I agree, 100% :) the current state of the Labour party is bad for everyone. They are effectively giving these Tories a blank cheque to do whatever they want.

 

If there is any form of parliamentary resistance to triggering article 50, it will have to be based around core of Labour MPs, and it is them who will take the fall.

 

I actually dont see how Labour can avoid looking hundreds of seats at the next election. Millions of previously Labour voters will be voting Lib Dem, Tory and UKIP at the next election, as they've managed to position themselves as alienating both leave and remain voters.

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And I loved the comment earlier how "leavers" will claim the pound was over inflated.

So the bank of England and the IMF were leavers??

 

When it dropped after the vote, remainers said it was due to the vote and a sign of things to come and leavers said it was because it was over valued anyway. That's all I'm saying.

 

The Bank of England and in particular Mark Carney get criticised in every decision or comment they make about the economy by leavers and that they're untrustworthy that Carney isnt British! .. its just comical.

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I'm 26, voted ukip since I could vote and voted leave. Ive done a lot of research before and after I could vote and am happy with my decisions. Globalism in an ideal world is great but in the one we have, it's incredibly dangerous.

 

Hopefully democracy wins through and we get a full exit of the EU.

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