Chris Wilson Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Portland, Oregon demonstration is now officially a riot: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us...iot/index.html In Austin, Texas trouble makers are boarding coaches to be bussed to demonstrations, how this is being finances is being investigated. Democracy in action, nice people showing their frustration in a civilised manner ehh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 What is it about people behaving like petulant children throwing their toys out of the pram when they don't get what they want?! It's pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike2JZ Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Portland, Oregon demonstration is now officially a riot: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us...iot/index.html In Austin, Texas trouble makers are boarding coaches to be bussed to demonstrations, how this is being finances is being investigated. Democracy in action, nice people showing their frustration in a civilised manner ehh? That's hardly a proper riot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 He conveniently forgets about those armed militias in the US that were training and threatening to execute Clinton had she been elected. Crazy stuff on both sides. Saying people shouldn't or cant protest a result they cant are finding hard to accept is undemocratic, and I don't think you'd find anyone with an once of common sense defending violent / criminal protest in any form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 He conveniently forgets about those armed militias in the US that were training and threatening to execute Clinton had she been elected. Crazy stuff on both sides. Saying people shouldn't or cant protest a result they cant are finding hard to accept is undemocratic, and I don't think you'd find anyone with an once of common sense defending violent / criminal protest in any form. The problem is a protest is fine, a violent one isn't, and the majority of protests have turned violent in America. Spouting "he's not our president" isn't a protest, that's a statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I dont think MP's are going to vote against the referendum result.. if they did we'd be looking at a new Guy Fawkes Several MP's have already stated if they don't get their way they will vote against Brexit. Quite frankly, MP's shouldn't get the chance to vote if we brexit or not, that's already been decided. They should however get to discuss the terms, but I think that should only happen after we invoke Article 50. It's like playing poker but leaving your cards face up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Several MP's have already stated if they don't get their way they will vote against Brexit. Quite frankly, MP's shouldn't get the chance to vote if we brexit or not, that's already been decided. They should however get to discuss the terms, but I think that should only happen after we invoke Article 50. It's like playing poker but leaving your cards face up. Seen comments/rumours doing the rounds on twitter this morning (sources are leading QCs, not your average Joe) that the Government wants to contend that Article 50 is revocable. If it is deemed "so clearly revocable" it could mead that it would inevitably lead to removal of rights as deemed by Parliament. Interesting stuff, all unlikely though. Check TL of Sir Paul Jenkins for more info. He conveniently forgets about those armed militias in the US that were training and threatening to execute Clinton had she been elected. Crazy stuff on both sides. Saying people shouldn't or cant protest a result they cant are finding hard to accept is undemocratic, and I don't think you'd find anyone with an once of common sense defending violent / criminal protest in any form. Good points, the Bundys militias armed to the teeth protesting were treated entirely differently to Native American pipeline protestors. Also on protesting, people absolutely have a right to do so. The way SOME of them are going about it won't solve anything, it'll only embolden Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonga Spar Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Spouting "he's not our president" isn't a protest, that's a statement. How do you suggest people protest, mate? Facebook posts? Comments section on e-newspapers? Writing in toilet cubicles? Just need to know incase in the future I need to voice an opinion in a way that's cool w/ you. Making a statement using actual statements is obviously off the cards now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 How do you suggest people protest, mate? Facebook posts? Comments section on e-newspapers? Writing in toilet cubicles? Just need to know incase in the future I need to voice an opinion in a way that's cool w/ you. Making a statement using actual statements is obviously off the cards now. ^ After reading some of your comments recently I have to ask, are you just an antagonist? Are you really saying people can't protest with out using of violence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 People can protest in any way they see fit, even if it might annoy others but they need to remember it may end in their arrest/imprisonment! There are consequences to one's actions! However wise people know when a protest is worth making and this is not, as no amount of whining or even hard facts at this point will change the presidential position, it is simply a waste of time. They all said they didn't want Trump when they voted! Wait and then complain about a poor policy decision down the line etc when you might gather up some Trump voters in with you and he might have to u turn. What it annoying is that those participating would have almost certainly been at the front of the queue condemning protests by Trump supporters should the result have been in their favour...it's a classic adult version of toddler "didn't get my way" foot stamping, slightly pathetic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 How do you suggest people protest, mate?. How people shouldn't protest: Violence Vandalism Shitting on the floor, then wiping said shit on a trump poster with your bare hands (really) Flag burning Scrawling "kill white people" on public monuments Fear Intimidation All things we've seen from the would be 'champions of tolerance' over the last few days. We rightly berate the likes of Islamist poppy burners and far right thugs when they behave like This, and so we should with this vile ultra liberal movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonga Spar Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 ^ After reading some of your comments recently I have to ask, are you just an antagonist? Are you really saying people can't protest with out using of violence? If you genuinely interpreted what I said as "well I'll have to be violent next time I want to say something", holy hell mate, this is exactly why people struggle to discuss this stuff... It was very obviously a satirical comment about matey-boy's apparent offense to the phrase "not my president". Edit: Removed rest of comment as I really need to stop getting into these here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbeh Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 It's like playing poker but leaving your cards face up. This is my only problem with it.. not sure how they can get around this. The feeling is the same across the pond, but at least they have a chance to turn it around in 4 years... we wont... but of course it's gonna go great and I'll be back here rejoicing with you all Right I'm done with this thread, enjoy chaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 And since we're "rightly berating" disgusting stuff happening across the pond at the moment, and you've been kind enough to list each individual incident that's been reported since his election in a population of hundreds of millions, I'm sure you'll be equally disgusted by this - https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656. Absolutely, hence; We rightly berate the likes of Islamist poppy burners and far right thugs when they behave like This, As I said, horseshoe theory. These left / right extremist scum are more like each other than they are the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 It's like playing poker but leaving your cards face up. since Brexit we have witnessed the true colours of the people that we will be negotiating with - knowing what we know now I am surprised that some of our MPs (and public) are pushing for this ridiculous approach - its as if they are setting the UK up to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 https://www.facebook.com/JonathanPieReporter/videos/1044777035645189/ YouTube link for those not on FB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 YouTube link for those not on FB Yeah I keep forgetting not everyone is on faceache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 since Brexit we have witnessed the true colours of the people that we will be negotiating with - knowing what we know now I am surprised that some of our MPs (and public) are pushing for this ridiculous approach - its as if they are setting the UK up to fail. So because the other side want to be dirty, corrupt and hard, we should just bow down, say sorry and carry on as normal? Surely that should give everyone the kick to go, screw you, if you want to play hard, we will play hard? Why should we roll over and take it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 If you genuinely interpreted what I said as "well I'll have to be violent next time I want to say something", holy hell mate, this is exactly why people struggle to discuss this stuff... It was very obviously a satirical comment about matey-boy's apparent offense to the phrase "not my president". Edit: Removed rest of comment as I really need to stop getting into these here! Matey-boy? I wasn't offended at the phrase "not my president" I was using that as an example in this situation. These people aren't just waving placards, they are shouting it and genuinely believe they are right. So at what stage do they stop thinking he's not their president? When inciting hatred and violence? If you want to protest, fine, be peaceful and respectful about it. And I would have said the same to anti Clinton protestors, or any protestors. Maybe all the people who need a safe space so they don't get offended should move to their own island/country/planet and they can sit and contemplate on how they were offended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 . Maybe all the people who need a safe space so they don't get offended should move to their own island/country/planet and they can sit and contemplate on how they were offended That already exists, it's called the Guardian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 How people shouldn't protest: Violence Vandalism Shitting on the floor, then wiping said shit on a trump poster with your bare hands (really) Flag burning Scrawling "kill white people" on public monuments Fear Intimidation All things we've seen from the would be 'champions of tolerance' over the last few days. We rightly berate the likes of Islamist poppy burners and far right thugs when they behave like This, and so we should with this vile ultra liberal movement. My god you're boring. Are you a school teacher? You never say anything of interest, but you always have something to say. Why not use your imagination and say something like this fella: http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 My god you're boring. You never say anything of interest, but you always have something to say. Pot, Kettle, Black......or am I not allowed to use the last word ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc92 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 How people should protest: http://www.thecornellreview.org/breaking-cornell-students-cry-didnt-get-way/ :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonga Spar Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 My god you're boring. Are you a school teacher? You never say anything of interest, but you always have something to say. Why not use your imagination and say something like this fella: http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/ That ain't fair. This is a thread about political discussion, not sure what you were hoping to find that's amusing in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 So because the other side want to be dirty, corrupt and hard, we should just bow down, say sorry and carry on as normal? Surely that should give everyone the kick to go, screw you, if you want to play hard, we will play hard? Why should we roll over and take it? Not sure what you are on about.....I don't recall suggesting that we should "bow down and take it" And not sure why you are getting so worked up either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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