j_jza80 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Having seen the shocking state of the supply of Getrag V160 / V161 gearboxes, I took it upon myself to contact Getrag directly about these boxes, with a view to ordering a batch myself and selling them on. This is the reply I've just received: thank you for your interest in our products, i.e. the V160/V161 transmission as used in the “old” Toyota Supra´s (roughly between 1993 and 2003). We are very sorry to inform you that … - we have sold all our stock to our customer (Toyota Motors) - we have no more tools left to (re-)produce these transmissions (or parts thereof) - … thus we could not quote the required transmissions to you. (excuse the English, Getrag are a German firm) The disposal of the tooling basically means no more new Getrag V160 / V161 boxes, ever. The only hope for Getrag owners is a specialist reverse engineering parts, and offering a rebuild service, which will obviously be VERY expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbleapple Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Not much of a surprise to be honest. If it's the old supra; what's the new one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Having seen the shocking state of the supply of Getrag V160 / V161 gearboxes, I took it upon myself to contact Getrag directly about these boxes, with a view to ordering a batch myself and selling them on. This is the reply I've just received: (excuse the English, Getrag are a German firm) The disposal of the tooling basically means no more new Getrag V160 / V161 boxes, ever. The only hope for Getrag owners is a specialist reverse engineering parts, and offering a rebuild service, which will obviously be VERY expensive. Kraut Brexit bitterness, ignore them The migrants have probably nicked the tooling, but they are too embarrassed to admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Can't say I'm surprised either, it is a 25 year old gearbox after all and they haven't really come into a massive demand until maybe the last 3 years or so. They build X units as per Toyota request and then move on to other projects/contracts without blinking. They'd probably be losing revenue if they just sat around waiting for supplies to dry up. Mind you at the rate other options have been cropping up over the last 2 or 3 years I don't think it'll be too long before we have a near like for like replacement to them that'll require little to no modification. The only people that will then be after them are the concourse/purist lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I'm sure someone like Titan could replicate the whole gearbox, on the other hand Jacks transmission have increased their prices now for a rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike2JZ Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Considering the getrag still make bulletproof gearboxes for BMW's it seems like a good option to get a decent conversion plate and run one of those. Was hoping a reputable brand would of picked this up by now, as we just have some dodgy eastern Europeans drifters producing them, which is a bit hit and miss from my experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz1 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Tremec T56 magnum is another alternative, I'm sure Lee at SRD will figure one out soon . http://www.suprastore.com/trt56matr.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Tremec T56 magnum is another alternative, I'm sure Lee at SRD will figure one out soon . http://www.suprastore.com/trt56matr.html The ratios are all wrong though. Until someone gets a like for like (or close enough) then there isn't a direct replacement unfortuantely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I'm sure someone like Titan could replicate the whole gearbox, on the other hand Jacks transmission have increased their prices now for a rebuild. Sorry, but replicating gears, shafts, synchro hubs, synchro cones, odd ball bearings and seals etcetera is hugely expensive and far from trivial, apart from the case castings and machining. Unless Getrag had, and would sell, the tooling, and the job to make copies taken on by a major transmission manufacturer, it's a none starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 The ratios are all wrong though. Until someone gets a like for like (or close enough) then there isn't a direct replacement unfortuantely Tbh, considering how few have completely stock cars, the stock gear ratios aren't exactly ideal anyway. Besides, the fact that the V160 was replaced by the V161 proves that the V160 ratios were not ideal in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parry_10 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 It makes an auto with flappy paddles more appealing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bailey Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 It makes an auto with flappy paddles more appealing now. Come to the dark side.... To be fair there are a few options now 8 speed ISF box 7 speed BMW DCT box SRD stage 3+4 box Titan box All of the above can be used with Syvecs flappy paddle kit. Or you have the below options... TH400 - Although only a 3 speed box and really only good for drag racing. ATF built auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burna Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Come to the dark side.... To be fair there are a few options now 8 speed ISF box 7 speed BMW DCT box SRD stage 3+4 box Titan box All of the above can be used with Syvecs flappy paddle kit. Or you have the below options... TH400 - Although only a 3 speed box and really only good for drag racing. ATF built auto The 8 speed ISF box is still having the map tweaked, so not quite there yet, but is the one I'm most interested in so far. 7 speed BMW DCT box is a non starter for me, not reliable at all from what I've been told, quite a few M3 owners have had them go at less than 5000 miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parry_10 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Come to the dark side.... To be fair there are a few options now 8 speed ISF box 7 speed BMW DCT box SRD stage 3+4 box Titan box All of the above can be used with Syvecs flappy paddle kit. Or you have the below options... TH400 - Although only a 3 speed box and really only good for drag racing. ATF built auto Got to be a manual gearbox for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bailey Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 The 8 speed ISF box is still having the map tweaked, so not quite there yet, but is the one I'm most interested in so far. 7 speed BMW DCT box is a non starter for me, not reliable at all from what I've been told, quite a few M3 owners have had them go at less than 5000 miles. Also with the BMW 7 speed you have to upgrade the clutches to run big power, which will probably cost alot! I must admit the 8 speed ISF conversion sounds the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I think I'd be most in for the 8 speed IS-F box as well. Toyota family, easier to fit, still quick gear changes and can use paddles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bailey Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Got to be a manual gearbox for me. So an auto with flappy paddles isnt as appealing now as it was 30 minutes ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parry_10 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 So an auto with flappy paddles isnt as appealing now as it was 30 minutes ago? It is appealing just I know I would wish I had a manual gearbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burna Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 It is appealing just I know I would wish I had a manual gearbox. You don't change your mind much do you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 I think I'd be most in for the 8 speed IS-F box as well. Toyota family, easier to fit, still quick gear changes and can use paddles. Potentially facing the same issue as the V160 though. Rare and expensive used, very expensive new, and at the mercy of Toyota supplying them. It's a shame no one has done a conversion foe the ZF box found in the Jaguar XKR, they are relatively cheap and plentiful, and must be fairly tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parry_10 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 You don't change your mind much do you If I say something is appealing it doesn't mean I want it, it means it is appealing.... Manual will always be better than auto imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I think I'm tempting towards BMW setups. I'm selling my upgraded r154 setup to go down this route next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
and1c Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I think I'm tempting towards BMW setups. I'm selling my upgraded r154 setup to go down this route next year. Why are you selling it mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitbox Junkie Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 im really interested in the 8speed depending on cost. and may just sale the v160 to fund this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoostJunky86 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Ask if the tooling was scrapped or sold?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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