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I'm just saying that it's getting to the point where extreme liberalism is contributing to the lack of a solution.

 

I'm referring to these attacks which are due to the migrant crisis. I'm all for equality and helping people of all nations but honestly these methods aren't working. At all.

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Are you seriously suggesting that political correctness causes terrorism?

 

Welcome to the mkivsupra.net off topic section.

 

It'll be quickly forgotten that a lot of those killed last night were Muslim.

 

Regardless, thoughts go out to each and every one of them.

 

A large number of children are in a bad state in hospital.

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Welcome to the mkivsupra.net off topic section.

 

It'll be quickly forgotten that a lot of those killed last night were Muslim.

 

Regardless, thoughts go out to each and every one of them.

 

A large number of children are in a bad state in hospital.

 

Definitely. This isn't to do with religion. It's the violent migrant issue in Europe.....

 

I don't get why people can't grasp this.

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I only caught up with this sad story an hour ago. Someone in another forum is saying the driver targetted an FN group. Although ostensibly a French / Tunisian dual nationality citizen he was "known to the police, but not the security services".

 

The brutal truth is this sort of thing is unstoppable unless the most Draconian measures are taken. We have a liberal youth who would be wetting themselves if the needed measures were even mooted, let alone enacted.

 

A terrible, sickening act of brutality.

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Definitely. This isn't to do with religion. It's the violent migrant issue in Europe.....

 

I don't get why people can't grasp this.

 

What? The attacker was a french national and lived in france all his life, how does this relate to migrant issue?

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I only caught up with this sad story an hour ago. Someone in another forum is saying the driver targetted an FN group. Although ostensibly a French / Tunisian dual nationality citizen he was "known to the police, but not the security services".

 

The brutal truth is this sort of thing is unstoppable unless the most Draconian measures are taken. We have a liberal youth who would be wetting themselves if the needed measures were even mooted, let alone enacted.

 

A terrible, sickening act of brutality.

 

Exactly this

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So do members think our anti terrorism and treason laws needed a Draconian hardening and updating? If so, what suggestions do they have to fight terrorism that the law of the UK currently denies our security forces?

 

As an aside am I naieve in thinking the upsurge in the ease of communications via cell phones, social media and computer programmes like Skype has given disenfranchised groups a stage and communications link that was not even dreamed of 20 years ago?

 

Whilst Teresa May is not exactly Clare Lopez, is she going to be a strong leader in supporting the needs of our security services, and will she get the support of parliament if she moots drastic measures?

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will she get the support of parliament if she moots drastic measures?

I don't think she would get majority support, I feel terrible even writing this, but I think she would only get that majority support if some horrendous act was carried out in this country.

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As an aside am I naieve in thinking the upsurge in the ease of communications via cell phones, social media and computer programmes like Skype has given disenfranchised groups a stage and communications link that was not even dreamed of 20 years ago?

 

Cell phones in the past were a great tool for the security services, the ease of which they could track, listen / snoop and hack into suspects devices I am sure really helped.

 

The issue you have now is that everyone is aware of the ease at which this can be done and has given rise to the use of encryption, it is making things a lot harder for the security services, not impossible but I imagine it has certainly slowed them down and limited what information they can gather.

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Definitely. This isn't to do with religion. It's the violent migrant issue in Europe.....

 

I don't get why people can't grasp this.

 

Yeah let's send them all back.

 

These Frenchmen committing terrorism in France, send them all.........oh wait.

 

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/17/islamic-states-goal-eliminating-the-grayzone-of-coexistence-between-muslims-and-the-west/

 

Cell phones in the past were a great tool for the security services, the ease of which they could track, listen / snoop and hack into suspects devices I am sure really helped.

 

The issue you have now is that everyone is aware of the ease at which this can be done and has given rise to the use of encryption, it is making things a lot harder for the security services, not impossible but I imagine it has certainly slowed them down and limited what information they can gather.

 

https://www.wired.com/2016/03/isis-winning-social-media-war-heres-beat/

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Wow.... Is it that hard to grasp the issue?

 

The migrant crisis is one of the issues that has caused huge liberal extremism. This in turn has caused a clear lack of action with criminal acts, hatred for police and in turn an increase in terror attacks, especially in France.

 

It's absolutely crazy that security should become lax because of political correctness etc.

 

I don't care where someone is from or what they believe but there's a clear correlation with all these people who have no homes turning up and the rise in crime. This man was given a free pass several times. He's a career criminal. Why was he on the streets? I'm not at all saying its to do with where he's from..... Also don't forget that just because he's from Tunisia it doesn't mean he isn't part of ISIS....

 

These are the questions that need asking. Is security being forgotten for the sake of appearing politically correct?

 

I'm probably wording this all terribly which I often do but what I'm trying to say is there clearly isn't a balance between freedom and security.

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Definitely. This isn't to do with religion.

 

It is everything to do with religion. Namely the civil war that exists within Islam, and the grave threat that Western liberal society and values poses to Islamists. Our greatest weapon against these people is education, though we should be using an economic 'big stick' to punish those countries and organisations that preach theocracy and discrimination.

 

We could certainly get our own house in order though by banning all religious / cultural schools in the UK, and introducing a uniform, secular education for all. I think I would also like to see some sort of mandatory boarding or exchange system in education too, to help break up the divided 'communities within communities' that the country currently suffers from.

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Wow.... Is it that hard to grasp the issue?

 

The migrant crisis is one of the issues that has caused huge liberal extremism. This in turn has caused a clear lack of action with criminal acts, hatred for police and in turn an increase in terror attacks, especially in France.

 

It's absolutely crazy that security should become lax because of political correctness etc.

 

I don't care where someone is from or what they believe but there's a clear correlation with all these people who have no homes turning up and the rise in crime. This man was given a free pass several times. He's a career criminal. Why was he on the streets? I'm not at all saying its to do with where he's from..... Also don't forget that just because he's from Tunisia it doesn't mean he isn't part of ISIS....

 

These are the questions that need asking. Is security being forgotten for the sake of appearing politically correct?

 

I'm probably wording this all terribly which I often do but what I'm trying to say is there clearly isn't a balance between freedom and security.

 

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Wow.... Is it that hard to grasp the issue?

 

Wow.... Is it really that easy to create an issue where there isn't one?

 

The migrant crisis is one of the issues that has caused huge liberal extremism. This in turn has caused a clear lack of action with criminal acts, hatred for police and in turn an increase in terror attacks, especially in France.

 

Again, migrant crisis - what does this have to do with that?

 

"liberal extremism" - you know, there are a certain select number of groups that have coined that term.

 

It has nothing to do with this attack.

 

You're actually blaming this terror attack on something you're calling "liberal extremism".

 

Ok......

 

I don't care where someone is from

 

You should. It might help work out that this was a French national, which contradicts where you've said that migration is to blame.

 

.....all these people who have no homes turning up and the rise in crime.

 

See above.

 

This man was given a free pass several times. He's a career criminal. Why was he on the streets?

 

Because this is the real world.

 

How many career criminals do you think are on our streets, or the streets of every country?

 

Be realistic.

 

If the security services have slipped up then they need to be held to account.

 

If there was little to no indiciation this petty thief was going to do something like this then that is a very difficult thing to legislate for.

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And you think the wholesale destruction of large swathes of the Middle East at the hands of the West has nothing to do with this? It was bad security policy which propagated this situation.

 

Blaming France is simply giving legitimacy to these vile actions. He was a French and Tunisian citizen, just how many bombs have France dropped on France and Tunisia?

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