carl0s Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 My friend has bought an ex-stolen-recovered Honda CBR600F bike, and it doesn't work. There is no ignition barrel, (four cut wires instead), and it has no spark or ignition. He is pretty good with mechanical stuff and thinks there's a problem with the ECU (pictured). I suspect it has an in-built immobiliser or something. He has found out that he can get a replacement ECU for £450 from Honda. Does anybody know anything about these bikes, or can anybody suggest a good forum to discuss further? Can the ECU's be recoded or anything? Does the ignition barrel do something a bit more tricky than simply act as a switch? Please excuse the shite pictures. Camera phones really are useless. This is what I understand to be the ECU. http://www2.css-networks.com/bike/1.jpg The four cut-wires from where the ignition barrel would be. http://www2.css-networks.com/bike/2.jpg VIN plate. Does this say anything useful? http://www2.css-networks.com/bike/3.jpg http://www2.css-networks.com/bike/4.jpg This is the alarm that was on it. I presume it just detects motion/tilt, and activates the horn & lights. Doesn't look like a problem. http://www2.css-networks.com/bike/5.jpg Here it is in all it's glory, minus fairing.. http://www2.css-networks.com/bike/6.jpg http://www2.css-networks.com/bike/7.jpg Can anybody help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I presume the bike thief got it going ok by hotwiring after cutting the ignition switch, right? That would mean it's not immobilised, wouldn't it? AFAIK Honda don't have an on-ECU immob system. I would start by replacing the broken Ign switch. That's the most likely problem. I can't see it being an ECU issue. It's going to need another switch anyway You might get more help over at u.k.rec.motorcycles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 What year is it? Mine is 1999 (1100 model though) and from then onwards they've had immobiliser in the ignition key. Best would be to check on a Honda forum, I'd think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 What year is it? Mine is 1999 (1100 model though) and from then onwards they've had immobiliser in the ignition key. In the key? I didn't know Honda did their own integrated immobilisers though. My '98 CBR900RRW doesn't have one. Maybe it's only on the luxobarge Blackbird models Do you know where the immobiliser brain is located? It might help Carl find his one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 you will have to buy ecu with new programmed key to suit it. as they are sold as a matched pair. and cannot be programmed without the orignal key. if you have the v5 then you can try and contact the previous owner, to see if he/she has a spare key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Which ECU do you mean Abs? The main one or is there a seperate immobiliser ECU? Sounds expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 In the key? yep Thatcham Cat 2 I think it is. Keys and ECU are a (pricey) set My '98 CBR900RRW doesn't have one. 200cc less, maybe thieves wouldn't be interested We don't want to start another UK vs JSpec saga now do we? Maybe it's only on the luxobarge Blackbird models OK, you started it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absz Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Which ECU do you mean Abs? The main one or is there a seperate immobiliser ECU? Sounds expensive its the main engine one. my workmate buys and sells bikes and was talking to him about the same problem on a different bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 We don't want to start another UK vs JSpec saga now do we? OK, you started it... its the main engine one. my workmate buys and sells bikes and was talking to him about the same problem on a different bike.Ouch! That's going to cost £LOTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 OK, it is a bit lardy (make that a LOT) The turning circle is not far off the supra's (I'm not kidding!) Manouevering the thing at parking speeds is tiring and clumsy (it's loooong and heavy) But once speeds are over 100 it's very stable. Nothing ever goes wrong either (unlike the Bayahusa which I didn't go for) [/hijack] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 TBH I nearly bought a Blackbird when I was looking at new bikes but I went for the FireBlade instead just because it has a sportier image. You gotta love that Honda reliability though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I used to be very hardcore Kawa man. Turbos and all. Now I'm soft and supple... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted September 16, 2005 Author Share Posted September 16, 2005 thanks guys! After coming over here, he went and spoke to a chap round the corner from his house, who said basically the same - ignition barrel and ECU need to both be replaced as a matched pair. Time to start searching breakers.. Are there bike-specific breakers or just any-old breaker? I'll head over to uk.rec.motorcycles next, cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl0s Posted September 16, 2005 Author Share Posted September 16, 2005 I presume the bike thief got it going ok by hotwiring after cutting the ignition switch, right? Interesting point.. it's apparently a, 00-plate, so I guess it should be immobilised. Maybe they tried hotwiring it and failed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Maybe they just loaded it in a van Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Time to start searching breakers.. Are there bike-specific breakers or just any-old breaker?There are bike only breakers. Get a MotorCycle News, there's usually loads listed in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolsius Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 The system is call H.I.S.S. and I think it was fitted from 99-00 onwards. buy a bike mag and use one of the partfinder companies, make one phone call and they get dealers with the part to phone you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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