Police apology for use of Islamic chant/praise during anti extremist excercise

[imi]

If they'd shouted Hari Krishna then I doubt they'd get the desired effect.....

 

 

 

 

 

[j_jza80]

good post, and points made.

 

Today a "car friend" unfriended me on FB (big loss NOT)

 

He posted a picture of a prayer room at Manchester airport and was shocked at the fact there was one there (taking over the country etc), his FB comment replies seemed to be the silly posts you would see from most Britain first's members.

 

Anyway I posted a picture from the Manchester airport website showing that they had prayer rooms for Christians and Jewish people. Kinda went off on him and gave him the option to unfriend me if he didnt like what I said. Its uneducated ***** like him which unfortunately alot on here are the same that make my blood boil,

 

If anyone posts any Britain First or EDL stuff on Facebook, I delete them immediately. No point letting people like that into your life, they're not worth the hassle mate.

 

but most folk on here will never know what it feels like because you are not Muslims.

 

It's maybe worth trying to put yourself into the shoes of an Agnostic or an atheist. I'm agnostic, and I find it tragic that in the 21st century, people are still squabbling over texts written thousands of years ago. It's heartbreaking to see that we are advancing as a race in so many ways, then every so often you'll read on the news about Catholics calling abortion evil, Israel discriminating against non jews, or some Islamic country jailing someone for being gay, or saying something blasphemous.

 

I believe people should be able to practice whatever religion, or no religion, they want in complete safety, and I'm glad I live in one of the few countries where that is pretty much a reality. But if the abrahamic god tells people to discriminate against others because they are gay, or want an abortion, or don't want to be religious any more, then fuck the abrahamic god. Everyone deserves to be treated equally, regardless of their gender, skin colour, religion or politics.

[j_jza80]

its quite simple rather than going into huge break downs. TERRORITS have no religion, they use fronts, unfortunately the front at the moment is Islam. if everyone gets this into their heads a lot of problems will be resolved.

 

I don't agree with that though. Just look at the Irish troubles, catholics vs protestants. The middle east, Sunni vs shia. Religion isn't the sole cause of terrorism, but it is a cause, or at least a contributory factor. Terrorism is a symptom of an ideological movement attempting to inflict their world view on an opposing party, and that ideology can take the form of politics or religion.

[adnanshah247]

I don't agree with that though. Just look at the Irish troubles, catholics vs protestants. The middle east, Sunni vs shia. Religion isn't the sole cause of terrorism, but it is a cause, or at least a contributory factor. Terrorism is a symptom of an ideological movement attempting to inflict their world view on an opposing party, and that ideology can take the form of politics or religion.

 

yes fully agreed. no doubt. I have studied every main stream religion as a young lad, its when people start taking elements of the religion and manipulating it is were troubles come in. In Islam, it forbids you to harm innocence FULL STOP, same in all Christian sects, Hinduism, Sikhism etc. every main religion!

 

FACT - RELIGION DOES NOT CREATE TERRORISTS, BULLSH*T POLITICS IS WHAT CREATES TERRORISM. In human nature, if somebody believes in something and somebody doesnt share his values, negativity towards him leads to the 'you are a bad person' view, hostility develops and the terms like terrorism follow'. the west see's the east as terrorists and guess what, the east see's west as terrorists. its a giant stupid loop.

[j_jza80]

Well it may create fear in those of the hard of thinking, but the vast majority of us are not in fear or against Muslims as a whole, I mean the new mayor of our capital city is a Muslim is he not, voted in by millions of all sorts of people, with no anti muslim campaign or post election furore?

 

To this day, one of the funniest things I have ever seen happened within a few days of 9/11. I was working behind a sales counter, and I heard the door open. When I looked up, there was a British Asian man poking his head through the door, and kind of looking around with an obviously cheeky look on his face. He then shouted out "Am I still allowed in here? Don't worry, I haven't got any bombs with me!"

 

These so called 'saviours' of English culture, the EDL and Britain first, have far more in common with those poppy burning Sharia4UK scum that they claim to hate than they do the average Brit. In fact, I bet if these EDL and Islamists sat down and had a chat, they'd probably find they have quite a lot in common with each other, but with no one else.

[Al Massey]

What exactly did you shout in Arabic?

 

What ever the interpreters would tell us at the time.

[adnanshah247]

I would like everyone to read what i write now.

 

I am British, i was born here, bread here and as said before i am a full blooded muslim. I am a patriot, I love my country and all the people here. I have grown up with the racist kind and the normal kind. My best friend is a soldier, he fought in Iraq, he came to tell me how the politics have ruined soldiers mind sets. I have so much respect for soldiers of this country, who are laying down their lives for lying scum bag politicians. Soldiers are coming back nodding there heads because of the conflicts in their own mind, were by they have followed ORDERS, but they know what they did wasnt humanity, it was a personal agenda.

 

Some friends i know also who have come back with limbs blown off, there lives have been effected forever, they gave limbs for their country, what does the country do for them? gives them a thank you, a medal and a shitty benefit package. sorry they deserve the best, they risked their life for the cause and have had jack in return. i have so much love and respect for our soldiers its unreal, what the government is doing to them, thats terrorism. i hate it, it makes me sick.

[adnanshah247]

To this day, one of the funniest things I have ever seen happened within a few days of 9/11. I was working behind a sales counter, and I heard the door open. When I looked up, there was a British Asian man poking his head through the door, and kind of looking around with an obviously cheeky look on his face. He then shouted out "Am I still allowed in here? Don't worry, I haven't got any bombs with me!"

 

These so called 'saviours' of English culture, the EDL and Britain first, have far more in common with those poppy burning Sharia4UK scum that they claim to hate than they do the average Brit. In fact, I bet if these EDL and Islamists sat down and had a chat, they'd probably find they have quite a lot in common with each other, but with no one else.

 

dont even get me started on Sharia law etc. it doesnt exist. In the Quran is says - 'if you dont respect somebody else's belief's and you insult or degrade him for his belief, you are out of your own belief'

[imi]

I am a Muslim, a good Muslim, a caring and considerate Muslim, the type of Muslim that is described by the Quran. I am not perfect, i have sinned and done many things wrong but i try to be as good as i can to all of my fellow men, regardless of race or religion, as this is what my Religion of Islam preaches to me. To love and respect all and to live an honest life.

 

that is what the Meccan versus in the Quran says - Unfortunately there are plenty others, especially Medina ones that mention the contrary.

 

Were on the train you sneeze and say 'Shukur-Ulhumdolilah' (Allah Bless and thank him)

 

have you ever thought about why you actually say that?

 

Were your God, Prophet and religion is defamed on and off line due to propoganda

 

To you these characters are sacred - to others not - are we supposed to kill them for having a different view?

 

2nd Part - Arrogance - Ill make this quick. TERRORISTS are not muslim nor do they share the views or beliefs of any muslim in this world. Islam is strictly against the actions of Isis, Taliban, Al-Qaeda and any more the west using propoganda can conjure up.

 

hmm....according to them they are following the literal meaning of the Quran and Shariah.....they would consider you as a Kafir. You call them terrorists, they would say that they are exercising Allah's will..

 

 

The point is that like you I was born a muslim - not by choice but by chance. The Islam that we are taught to follow is not the Islam of the Quran or the teachings of the Bedouins from 1400 years ago - it's more of an amalgamation of basic religion infused with a lot of regional culture.

 

It's clear for all to see that you are a normal and good guy with decent morals, however a bit infantile to defend an ideology that is so misconstrued unequivocally - i believe it's healthy to have a discussion by keeping emotions at bay - the only way to learn and evolve.

 

Happy to engage in a separate thread on this subject if required.

 

As for the Original topic - personally i think it was poor taste but doesn't bother me. its a bit like Cameron calling Nigeria and Afghanistan as two of the corrupt countries around - I was gutted that he didn't mention Pakistan - thought we (pakistanis) have done enough of a F up to be finally recognised......

[adnanshah247]

Unfortunately that is what the Meccan versus in the Quran says - but then there are plenty others, especially Medina ones that mention the contrary.

 

 

 

why do you say that?

 

 

 

To you these characters are sacred - to others not - are we supposed to kill them for having a different view?

 

 

 

hmm....according to them they are following the literal meaning of the Quran and Shariah.....they would consider you as a Kafir. You call them terrorists, they would say that they are exercising Allah's will..

 

 

The point is that like you I was born a muslim - not by choice but by chance. The Islam that we are taught to follow is not the Islam of the Quran or the teachings of the Bedouins from 1400 years ago - it's more of an amalgamation of basic religion infused with a lot of regional culture.

 

It's clear for all to see that you are a normal and good guy with decent morals, however a bit infantile to defend an ideology that is so misconstrued unequivocally.

 

Anybody who will refer to me as a 'Kafir' (non believer) - all i can say to that is, Allah Swt is the only who can judge me, my heart and my intentions, anybody else who judges me has no right and if they do, Allah will judge them for that.

 

I was born a muslim, i was raised a muslim, yes not out of choice. ages 0 - 20. i will say i was a muslim but only by name because i had doubts. I for a few years neglected my faith. After ages 25/26 my life crumbled, i re-learnt my faith, I came back to Allah, i learnt, understood my religion, studied and can now say only now that i am a muslim out of full 110% choice of my own. I understand what you mean Imi, many muslims dont even know why they are, they blindly follow, i have had my wake up call.

[Al Massey]

Can I just point out that the actual scenario for this exercise is based on a suicide attack by an extremist Daesh-style organisation.

[j_jza80]

The point is that like you I was born a muslim - not by choice but by chance. The Islam that we are taught to follow is not the Islam of the Quran or the teachings of the Bedouins from 1400 years ago - it's more of an amalgamation of basic religion infused with a lot of regional culture.

 

 

I was the same, born into a family where my mums side were fairly devout Irish Catholics, and was christened at a young age without my consent. I have seen first hand the awful, divisive nature of conservative religion. I have also seen a friends brother rejected by his own family and community because he chose to renounce Islam. As a result of these, and the constant reminders on the news, I do sometimes struggle to see the positive aspects of religion in the modern world.

[imi]

Anybody who will refer to me as a 'Kafir' (non believer) - all i can say to that is, Allah Swt is the only who can judge me, my heart and my intentions, anybody else who judges me has no right and if they do, Allah will judge them for that.

 

I was born a muslim, i was raised a muslim, yes not out of choice. ages 0 - 20. i will say i was a muslim but only by name because i had doubts. I for a few years neglected my faith. After ages 25/26 my life crumbled, i re-learnt my faith, I came back to Allah, i learnt, understood my religion, studied and can now say only now that i am a muslim out of full 110% choice of my own. I understand what you mean Imi, many muslims dont even know why they are, they blindly follow, i have had my wake up call.

 

Majority - cause of the fear that is instilled into them since birth.....

 

I am happy for you - as for me, having studied it extensively it is safe to say that I have my reservations - much more than before. When I see obvious flaws in what is supposed to be a piece of work from the divine then I can't help but question - thanks to the internet, access to information is readily available so excuses for blind following are a bit rich (atleast in developed countries where we are lucky to have freedom of thought and speech) - never underestimate what we have in the UK.

[imi]

Can I just point out that the actual scenario for this exercise is based on a suicide attack by an extremist Daesh-style organisation.

 

then perhaps a loud fart would have sufficed.

[imi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LthOAolxmh0

[adnanshah247]

I was the same, born into a family where my mums side were fairly devout Irish Catholics, and was christened at a young age without my consent. I have seen first hand the awful, divisive nature of conservative religion. I have also seen a friends brother rejected by his own family and community because he chose to renounce Islam. As a result of these, and the constant reminders on the news, I do sometimes struggle to see the positive aspects of religion in the modern world.

 

ok for me, the positive aspects of my religion to me:-

 

1. when my parents yell at me, my religion forbids me to raise my voice to my parents. i stay quiet, no arguement takes place, later my mum hugs me and kisses me so much love and respect that I even though they were wrong, i gave them respect. So religious influence here keeps a lot of peace in my household and keeps the mummy hugs coming regurlaly (im 29 in my own house but nothing beats a mummy hug )

 

2. my religion prohibits me from drugs and alcohol - it is impossible - I will never loose my licence for drink driving or under influence, i wont loose my rag and get into brawls due to influence, i save a lot of money ,

 

3. my religion states to help anybody in need:-

 

attached is a pic of a woman stuck in a petrol station at 3am because she had a flat tyre and nobody was there to help, it was blistering cold and wet and she was also lost. i pulled in, helped her out, changed 1 tyre for her only to realise both her tyres were flat, she had no breakdown cover and her husband was at work, i drove her and her daughter 30 miles to her home in watford and refused to take a single penny from her. My religion literally ordered me to do so, to help people in need when they are stuck and do as much as i can in my power to help.

 

 

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4. I raise money for charity.

 

5. I never shout or swear at my wife or any women in my life, religion has taught me to handle situations in a certain way, to be rational and talk my problems with the mrs out. My religion also forbids me to comit adultry and to stay faithful. A powerful adition to help keep those naughty desires at bay.... (we all do it so dont bloody try it)

 

6. My religion also has helped me keep fit and clean, washing and praying 5 times a day has helped my back pain and the issue i had in my right knee, also has got rid of the dry skin problem i had because my skin is getting enough hydration.

 

7. my religion has made me very thankful for things i have, i appreciate my family, money, cars, property etc. a hell of a lot more.

 

8. from this has lead to me giving more to the less fortunate, going to 3rd world countries and personally helping families up. giving to charities etc.

 

9. i have become a lot kinder and nicer to my fellow man thank to my religion.

 

10. theres a lot more, but if anyone can see how religion can be poistive for people, read the above for some reasons.......

[imi]

Very good to hear how you have managed to turn your life around - you associate it to Islam, that is your prerogative.

 

I still maintain what I posted earlier and in a separate thread am happy to engage in a discussion on the teachings of Islam if that is what the mods allow.

[adnanshah247]

Very good to hear how you have managed to turn your life around - you associate it to Islam, that is your prerogative.

 

I still maintain what I posted earlier and in a separate thread am happy to engage in a discussion on the teachings of Islam if that is what the mods allow.

 

I respect your views and reservations Imi. I love the Islamic way of life because it works for me. I love the religion and the better state im in with its help. its just a shame people choose to disgrace it. One day we'll meet Imi and it will be really nice to have a convo like adults over it....Inshallah. I would definately love to hear and learn from you.

[Kendo11]

if it was an anti-terror operation specifically around islamic terrorists then the words would be befitting, however I think this was not staged around one particular sect/religion/group and a general 'anti-terror operation' and therefore someone saying allah hoo-akbar could be construed as 'GMP think 'every terrorist is a muslim' thus it being politically and technically incorrect.

That.

 

It's stupidity, and I can see why it's offended lots of people.

 

 

[The Raven]

It still comes down to the simple fact. Not all people that claim to be muslim are trying to kill you. Im going to have to get rid of people on facebook for constant posting of britain first bile

[Kendo11]

I wasnt going to post because reading some posts so far with the exception of 'Fars' illustrates how selfish and ignorant some people can be and ill explain why......

 

I am a Muslim, a good Muslim, a caring and considerate Muslim, the type of Muslim that is described by the Quran. I am not perfect, i have sinned and done many things wrong but i try to be as good as i can to all of my fellow men, regardless of race or religion, as this is what my Religion of Islam preaches to me. To love and respect all and to live an honest life.

 

Time and time again, especially on this forum, the reason why I call some members 'Selfish' is because you genuinely dont know now how it feels to be a Muslim in this world. Were on the train you sneeze and say 'Shukur-Ulhumdolilah' (Allah Bless and thank him) and people step away from you thinking you have C4 under your jacket. Were your God, Prophet and religion is defamed on and off line due to propoganda and in order to keep the respect for your fellow man you need to quietly swallow it and stay quiet. It genuienly hurts and is very upsetting how Muslims globally are being targeted and have to take the brunt for a bunch of F**k Tards that have no faith, no religion and no morals. Yes I am one of the ones who was genuinely fuming of the drill done in Manchester. An no i dont want an apology, i dont want somebody to say sorry for using my God's name and associating it with a terrorist blowing stuff up. What i want is for my fellow man to respect me as i respect him, i want my fellow man to understand that using my Gods name in that context is very rude and SELFISH, I want my fellow man to understand that the difference between me and that terrorist is exactly the same as the difference between HIM and that terrorist. If my fellow man understands this and respects this, then during that drill 'Allah Hu-Akbar' would not have been chanted and once again Islam and all of it followers would not be associated or potrayed as terrorists, i hope all of you kind of understand what im trying to say. I have been a member of this forum for a very long time and my views and opinions do matter as do my personal feelings, i love this place and have done my fair share for it, i have helped members etc without any gain for myself and did it for blessings as an honourable Muslim. Your all my brothers regardless of your faith or race.

 

 

2nd Part - Arrogance - Ill make this quick. TERRORISTS are not muslim nor do they share the views or beliefs of any muslim in this world. Islam is strictly against the actions of Isis, Taliban, Al-Qaeda and any more the west using propoganda can conjure up. Even the words 'Islamic Terrorist' makes absolutely no sense, those two words cannot be put together as they fully contradict each other. Suicide bombers etc. are all spineless little mongs that once blowing themselves up are getting a First Class ride to deep shores of Hell. Any terror group, regardless of religion or race are quiet simply TERRORISTS, no other label applies, they have no morals, no belief, no background, heritage or common sense, as we all know all terrorists use some sort of face to JUSTIFY there actions, but people today I hope are smart enough that we have seen TERRORISTS in all of our history use these faces and that its all rubbish.

 

Love and respect you all and i hope the feelings are Mutual.

 

Adzy - Samosa King - Muslim

 

Well done for being open like that.

 

Wonder if the right wing brigade of the forum respond in the same way.

 

 

[Kendo11]

It still comes down to the simple fact. Not all people that claim to be muslim are trying to kill you. Im going to have to get rid of people on facebook for constant posting of britain first bile

Did it myself ages ago, including close friends and people on here.

 

 

[The Raven]

Im a white large bald englishman. With a gcse level education and i get it. Why dont these morons?

[adnanshah247]

Im a white large bald englishman. With a gcse level education and i get it. Why dont these morons?

 

hahahahaha ok that really made me laugh....

[MattP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LthOAolxmh0

 

Hahaha thats brilliant.