Chris Wilson Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The BMA (British Militants Association?) must be fuming that news coverage is wall to wall Hillsborough and their all out action is getting far less news time than they might have expected. These junior doctors look, sound and act more like a student's union on a picket line than people you would trust your life to. I think now is a good time to be ill, at least you'll probably see a consultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 dont like working thats the problem chris , wifey was really ill in bed a few weeks ago , so i called and asked if a doctor could call and see her. doctor phoned me back and said id have to get her to the practice, pissing down with rain freezing cold , i asked why he wouldnt come out . his reply we only come out if the patient is house bound or dieing . useless prick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 I ask my vet for a diagnosis first, in fact his practice is cleaner and better equipped than the local hospital where my father in law was treated 2 years ago! He's x-rayed everything from me to a forged lower suspension arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter richards Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 good idea lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 These people are well overworked and forced not to book the hours. I feel bad for them that we have such scumbag politicians and overpaid executives. If anyone needs more regulation and forced stringent contracts it's those sorts. Doctors shouldn't be pushed to do 90 hour weeks and be responsible for other people's lives. That's incredibly dangerous but you won't get politicians caring about that, so if you want someone to blame go blame them. The government like to privatise and line their own pockets with your money and do nothing for it. The doctors, well at least they're trying to save people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie_k83 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 These people are well overworked and forced not to book the hours. I feel bad for them that we have such scumbag politicians and overpaid executives. If anyone needs more regulation and forced stringent contracts it's those sorts. Doctors shouldn't be pushed to do 90 hour weeks and be responsible for other people's lives. That's incredibly dangerous but you won't get politicians caring about that, so if you want someone to blame go blame them. The government like to privatise and line their own pockets with your money and do nothing for it. The doctors, well at least they're trying to save people. Exactly this, there are some good Docs out there and some shite, granted, but they're the ones working stupid hours and saving lives. So long as you work some kind of roll in the Public sector, you will allwys have the govenment there to shaft you just to line their own greedy arse, out for themselves pockets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 These people are well overworked and forced not to book the hours. I feel bad for them that we have such scumbag politicians and overpaid executives. If anyone needs more regulation and forced stringent contracts it's those sorts. Doctors shouldn't be pushed to do 90 hour weeks and be responsible for other people's lives. That's incredibly dangerous but you won't get politicians caring about that, so if you want someone to blame go blame them. The government like to privatise and line their own pockets with your money and do nothing for it. The doctors, well at least they're trying to save people. Exactly. As Frankie Boyle said (someone I almost never agree with) we've now got a government so far to the right that Junior doctors can be considered extremist. Then you've got 'ordinary' folk thinking it's ok to expect them to work 100 hour weeks and actually be responsible for human lives. They're not shop assistants ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annabella Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I wouldn't want a Junior doc to be treating me on their 59th hour or their 11th hour of the day. What the government doesn't realise or maybe does is that less studes will want to be a doctor so we'll have to employ foreign ones who'll learn here at our cost, send money back to their origin then leave later down the line, tax payers money well wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I find it funny that truck drivers have to use a tachograph, yet doctors can work all the hours under the sun. They should be limited to 48 hours a week, and actually banned from working any extra (unless there's an emergency). And they should get a fair wage for what they do, including a small supplement for night shifts. But they shouldn't get paid any extra for weekends, comes with the territory imo like a lot of jobs. It's these parasites that should be having new contracts forced on them: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/12077917/NHS-hospital-bosses-given-pay-rises-worth-more-than-a-nurses-annual-salary.html Of course, all this would require some common sense and some proper funding, which is unlikely to happen under any government any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 I find it funny that truck drivers have to use a tachograph, yet doctors can work all the hours under the sun. They should be limited to 48 hours a week, and actually banned from working any extra (unless there's an emergency). And they should get a fair wage for what they do, including a small supplement for night shifts. But they shouldn't get paid any extra for weekends, comes with the territory imo like a lot of jobs. It's these parasites that should be having new contracts forced on them: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/12077917/NHS-hospital-bosses-given-pay-rises-worth-more-than-a-nurses-annual-salary.html Of course, all this would require some common sense and some proper funding, which is unlikely to happen under any government any time soon. Agreed. But there are bigger parasites too, apart from the politicians obviously.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11435754/32-charity-bosses-paid-over-200000-last-year.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-hedge-fund-super-rich-donated-19m-to-tory-party-10024548.html These sorts are the biggest blight on our country. It's laughable that anyone is even looking at junior doctors in a questionable way with other things that are going on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc92 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Found this amusing. I'm sure Hunt will be the boss of some big private medical company in a few years and he's currently cementing his future position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Agreed. But there are bigger parasites too, apart from the politicians obviously.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11435754/32-charity-bosses-paid-over-200000-last-year.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/how-hedge-fund-super-rich-donated-19m-to-tory-party-10024548.html These sorts are the biggest blight on our country. It's laughable that anyone is even looking at junior doctors in a questionable way with other things that are going on... Thing is, they're different issues because they aren't paid out of the public purse (directly at least). I won't have anything to do with a charity that pays those sorts of wages. As for the fund managers, I don't like money mixed with politics at all, but the Tories don't have wealthy, and equally abhorrent unions to fund them. They should just ban donations for all parties all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angarak Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Doctors Perspective, a long but informative post for us non-medical joe publics https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1699644203631626&id=1588900304706017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Had you been to hospitals guy? Has you seen how the system works? All the hard work is done by nurses, all the heavy thinking and management work is done by senior doctors, so what are j doctors do? Analyse sample reports, listen to heart beats, talks a lot and write stuff that no one can read after... Strike is unjustified, everyone works a lot, and for less money then them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus1 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Had you been to hospitals guy? Has you seen how the system works? All the hard work is done by nurses, all the heavy thinking and management work is done by senior doctors, so what are j doctors do? Analyse sample reports, listen to heart beats, talks a lot and write stuff that no one can read after... Strike is unjustified, everyone works a lot, and for less money then them... /QUOTE] Agree! At the end of the day a junior doctor is another word for student, how many students do you know that get paid 20k a year for learning! I run my own business and often work more hours than them at less money! I don't complain, (well sometimes I do........a lot), but that's not the point. When they become qualified, work more normal hours and earn a small fortune, I don't see them complaining then. If they don't like it get another f@&-!@ng job!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I agree with the above, a lot of time must be wasted with rediculous old processes. What is needed is reform. however that's easier said than done, they can't simply enforce a standard 48 hour week as there are not enough doctors in the industry. Which is in part caused by the crap conditions and pay now. Vicious circle that needs a long term plan for reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianhid Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Just in case anyone missed this, Jeremy Hunt literally wrote a book on dismantling the NHS (well, co-authored some sections sections, apparently it doesn't reflect his views). http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-privatise-nhs-tories-privatising-private-insurance-market-replacement-direct-democracy-a6865306.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cered Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 i agree with them but risking peoples lives by striking all he time is stupid. They're not the first people in the world to have poor working hours or unfair bosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 The interNHS needs a total reform - the system is archaic, super inefficient and clearly not sustainable to serve the worlds population. Agree that Doctors shouldn't be working crazy hours - do they still clock 90hr weeks - that used to be the case 20 years ago? Having used the NHS recently for the birth of our daughter I was not impressed with the quality of junior doctors around....they are like poorly programmed robots - I am sure there must be better ones too, perhaps we were unlucky on three occasions. Regardless of the above - I find it amazing that they (BMA, Junior Doctors Assoc, Govt) have been in conversation for the past 3 years.......about time that action is taken. Total reform - starting with a fee at point of service like most european countries. what little support they had off me they wonderfully lost all of it due to removing emergency care. I have little tolerance for people holding the country to ransom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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